35 Biggest Investing Lessons from 4 Seasons of Superclusters

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The title says it all. I’m four seasons in and I’m fortunate to have learned from some of the best and most thoughtful individuals in the LP industry. I often joke with friends that Superclusters allows me to ask dumb questions to smart people. But there’s quite a bit of truth there as well. I look back in Season 1, and I’m proud to see the evolution of my questions as well.

There was a piece back in 2022 where Johns Hopkins’ Jeff Hooke said that “75% of funds insist they are in the top quartile.” To my anecdotal knowledge, that seems to hold. I might say 75% of angel investors starting their first funds say they’re top quartile. And 90% of Fund IIs say their Fund Is are top quartile. So the big looming question as an LP is how do you know which are and which aren’t.

And if we were all being honest with each other, the first five years of returns and IRRs really aren’t indicative of the fund’s actual performance. In fact, Stepstone had a recent piece that illustrated fewer than 50% of top-quartile funds at Year 5 stay there by Year 10. 30% fall to second quartile. 13% slip to third. 9% fall from grace to the bottom quartile. But only 3.7% of bottom-quartile funds make it to the top quartile after its 10-year run (on a net TVPI basis).

I’ve enjoyed every single podcast episode I’ve recorded to date. And all the offline conversations that I’ve had because of the podcast itself. Nevertheless, it’s always fascinating when I learn something for the first time on the podcast while we’re recording. Excluding the longer lessons some of our guests have shared (I’m looking at you Evan, Charlotte, and much much more), below are the many Twitter-worthy (not calling it X) soundbites that have come up in the podcast so far.

  1. “Entrepreneurship is like a gas. It’s hottest when it’s compressed.” — Chris Douvos
  2. “I’m looking for well-rounded holes that are made up of jagged pieces that fit together nicely.” — Chris Douvos
  3. “If you provide me exposure to the exact same pool of startups [as] another GP of mine, then unfortunately, you don’t have proprietary deal flow for me. You don’t enhance my network diversification.” — Jamie Rhode
  4. “Sell when you can, not when you have to.” — Howard Lindzon
  5. “When you think about investing in any fund, you’re really looking at three main components. It’s sourcing ability. Are you seeing the deals that fit within whatever business model you’re executing on? Do you have some acumen for picking? And then, the third is: what is your ability to win? Have you proven your ability to win, get into really interesting deals that might’ve been either oversubscribed or hard to get into? Were you able to do your pro rata into the next round because you added value? And we also look through the lens of: Does this person have some asymmetric edge on at least two of those three things?” — Samir Kaji
  6. “85% of returns flow to 5% of the funds, and that those 5% of the funds are very sticky. So we call that the ‘Champions League Effect.’” — Jaap Vriesendorp
  7. “The truth of the matter, when we look at the data, is that entry points matter much less than the exit points. Because venture is about outliers and outliers are created through IPOs, the exit window matters a lot. And to create a big enough exit window to let every vintage that we create in the fund of funds world to be a good vintage, we invest [in] pre-seed and seed funds – that invest in companies that need to go to the stock market maybe in 7-8 years. Then Series A and Series B equal ‘early stage.’ And everything later than that, we call ‘growth.’” — Jaap Vriesendorp
  8. “[When] you’re generally looking at four to five hundred distinct companies, 10% of those companies generally drive most of the returns. You want to make sure that the company that drives the returns you are invested in with the manager where you size it appropriately relative to your overall fund of funds. So when we double click on our funds, the top 10 portfolio companies – not the funds, but portfolio companies, return sometimes multiples of our fund of funds.” — Aram Verdiyan
  9. “If you’re overly concentrated, you better be damn good at your job ‘cause you just raised the bar too high.” — Beezer Clarkson
  10. “[David Marquardt] said, ‘You know what? You’re a well-trained institutional investor. And your decision was precisely right and exactly wrong.’ And sometimes that happens. In this business, sometimes good decisions have bad outcomes and bad decisions have good outcomes.” — Chris Douvos
  11. “Miller Motorcars doesn’t accept relative performance for least payments on your Lamborghini.” — Chris Douvos
  12. “The biggest leverage on time you can get is identifying which questions are the need-to-haves versus nice-to-haves and knowing when enough work is enough.” — John Felix
  13. “In venture, we don’t look at IRR at all because manipulating IRR is far too easy with the timing of capital calls, credit lines, and various other levers that can be pulled by the GP.” — Evan Finkel
  14. “The average length of a VC fund is double that of a typical American marriage. So VC splits – divorce – is much more likely than getting hit by a bus.” — Raida Daouk
  15. “Historically, if you look at the last 10 years of data, it would suggest that multiple [of the premium of a late stage valuation to seed stage valuation] should cover around 20-25 times. […] In 2021, that number hit 42 times. […] Last year, that number was around eight.” — Rick Zullo (circa 2024)
  16. “The job and the role that goes most unseen by LPs and everybody outside of the firm is the role of the culture keeper.” — Ben Choi
  17. “You can map out what your ideal process is, but it’s actually the depth of discussion that the internal team has with one another. […] You have to define what your vision for the firm is years out, in order to make sure that you’re setting those people up for success and that they have a runway and a growth path and that they feel empowered and they feel like they’re learning and they’re contributing as part of the brand. And so much of what happens there, it does tie back to culture […] There’s this amazing, amazing commercial that Michael Phelps did, […] and the tagline behind it was ‘It’s what you do in the dark that puts you in the light.’” — Lisa Cawley
  18. “In venture, LPs are looking for GPs with loaded dice.” — Ben Choi
  19. “If I hire someone, I don’t really want to hire right out of school. I want to hire someone with a little bit of professional experience. And I want someone who’s been yelled at. […] I don’t want to have to triple check work. I want to be able to build trust. Going and getting that professional experience somewhere, even if it’s at a startup or venture firm. Having someone have oversight on you and [push] you to do excellent work and [help] you understand why it matters… High quality output can help you gain so much trust.” — Jaclyn Freeman Hester
  20. “LPs watch the movie, but don’t read the book.” — Ben Choi
  21. “If it’s not documented, it’s not done.” — Lisa Cawley
  22. “If somebody is so good that they can raise their own fund, that’s exactly who you want in your partnership. You want your partnership of equals that decide to get together, not just are so grateful to have a chance to be here, but they’re not that great.” — Ben Choi
  23. “When you bring people in as partners, being generous around compensating them from funds they did not build can help create alignment because they’re not sitting there getting rich off of something that started five years ago and exits in ten years. So they’re kind of on an island because everybody else is in a different economic position and that can be very isolating.” — Jaclyn Freeman Hester
  24. “Neutral references are worse than negative references.” — Kelli Fontaine
  25. “Everybody uses year benchmarking, but that’s not the appropriate way to measure. We have one fund manager that takes five years to commit the capital to do initial investments versus a manager that does it all in a year. You’re gonna look very, very different. Ten years from now, 15 years from now, then you can start benchmarking against each other from that vintage.” — Kelli Fontaine
  26. “We are not in the Monte Carlo simulation game at all; we’re basically an excel spreadsheet.” — Jeff Rinvelt
  27. “A lot of those skills [to be a fund manager] are already baked in. The one that wasn’t baked in for a lot of these firms was the exit manager – the ones that help you sell. […] If you don’t have it, there should be somebody that it’s their job to look at exits. ” — Jeff Rinvelt
  28. “Getting an LP is like pulling a weight with a string of thread. If you pull too hard, the string snaps. If you don’t pull hard enough, you don’t pull the weight at all. It’s this very careful balancing act of moving people along in a process.” — Dan Stolar
  29. “Going to see accounts before budgets are set helps get your brand and your story in the mind of the budget setter. In the case of the US, budgets are set in January and July, depending on the fiscal year. In the case of Japan, budgets are set at the end of March, early April. To get into the budget for Tokyo, you gotta be working with the client in the fall to get them ready to do it for the next fiscal year. [For] Korea, the budgets are set in January, but they don’t really get executed on till the first of April. So there’s time in there where you can work on those things. The same thing is true with Europe. A lot of budgets are mid-year. So you develop some understanding of patterns. You need to give yourself, for better or worse if you’re raising money, two to three years of relationship-building with clients.” — David York
  30. “Many pension plans, especially in America, put blinders on. ‘Don’t tell me what I’m paying my external managers. I really want to focus and make sure we’re not overpaying our internal people.’ And so then it becomes, you can’t ignore the external fees because the internal costs and external fees are related. If you pay great people internally, you can push back on the external fees. If you don’t pay great people internally, then you’re a price taker.” — Ashby Monk
  31. “You need to realize that when the managers tell you that it’s only the net returns that matter. They’re really hoping you’ll just accept that as a logic that’s sound. What they’re hoping you don’t question them on is the difference between your gross return and your net return is an investment in their organization. And that is a capability that will compound in its value over time. And then they will wield that back against you and extract more fees from you, which is why the alternative investment industry in the world today is where most of the profits in the investment industry are captured and captured by GPs.” — Ashby Monk
  32. “I often tell pensions you should pay people at the 49th percentile. So, just a bit less than average. So that the people going and working there also share the mission. They love the mission ‘cause that actually is, in my experience, the magic of the culture in these organizations that you don’t want to lose.” — Ashby Monk
  33. “The thing about working with self-motivated people and driven people, on their worst day, they are pushing themselves very hard and your job is to reduce the stress in that conversation.” — Nakul Mandan
  34. “I only put the regenerative part of a wealth pool into venture. […] That number – how much money you are putting into venture capital per year largely dictates which game you’re playing.” — Jay Rongjie Wang
  35. “When investing in funds, you are investing in a blind pool of human potential.” — Adam Marchick

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Good Misses and Bad Hits

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The espresso shot:

  • What are the essential elements of a “good” VC fund strategy vs. “lucky”?
  • What elements can you control and what can you not?
  • How long does it take to develop “skill” and can you speed it up w/ (intentional) practice?

Anyone can shoot a three-pointer every once in a while.

Steph Curry is undeniably one of the best shooters of our time. If not, of all time. Even if you don’t watch ball, one can’t help but appreciate what a marksman Steph is. In case you haven’t, just look at the clip below of his shots during the 2024 Olympics.

From the 2024 Olympics

As the Under Armour commercial with Michael Phelps once put it, “it’s what you do in the dark that puts you in the light.” For Steph, it’s the metaphoric 10,000 hours taking, making, and missing shots. For the uninitiated, what might be most fascinating is that not all shots are created equal, specifically… not all misses are created equal.

There was a piece back in 2021 by Mark Medina where he wrote, “If the ball failed to drop through the middle of the rim, Curry and Payne simply counted that attempt as a missed shot.” Even if he missed, the difference between missing by a wide margin versus hitting the rim mattered. The difference between hitting the front of the rim versus the backboard or the back rim mattered. The former meant you were more likely to make the shot after the a bounce than the other. Not all misses are created equal.

Anyone can shoot a 3-pointer. With enough tries. But not everyone can shoot them as consistently as Steph can.

The same holds for investing. Many people, by sheer luck, can find themselves invested in a unicorn. But not everyone can do it repeatedly across vintages. It’s the difference between a single outperforming fund and an enduring firm.

The former isn’t bad. Quite good actually. But it also takes awareness and discipline to know that it may be a once-in-a-lifetime thing. The latter takes work. Lots of it. And the ability to compound excellence.

When one is off, how much are you off? What are the variables that led you to miss? What variables are within your control? And what aren’t? Of those that are, how consistent can you maintain control over those variables?

As such, let me break down a few things that you can control as a GP.

Are you seeing enough deals? Are you seeing enough GREAT deals? Do you find yourself struggling in certain quarters to find great deals or do you find yourself struggling to choose among the surplus of amazing deals that are already in your inbox? Simply, are you struggling against starvation or indigestion? It’s important to be intellectually honest here, at least to yourself. I know there’s the game of smokes and mirrors that GPs play with LPs when fundraising, but as the Richard Feynman line goes, “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.”

Whereas deal flow is about what companies you see, value add is more about how you win deals. Why and how do you attract the world’s best entrepreneurs to work with you? In a world where the job of a VC is to sell money – in other words, is my dollar greener or is another VC’s dollar greener – you need to answer a simple question: Why does another VC fund need to exist?

What can you provide a founder that no other, or at least, very few other, investors can

While there are many investors out there who say “founders just like me” or “founders share their most vulnerable moments with me”, it’s extremely hard for an LP to underwrite. And what an LP cannot grasp their head around means you’ll disappear into obscurity. The file that sits in the back of the cabinet. You’ll exist, and an LP may even like you, but never enough for them to get to conviction. And to a founder, especially when they’ve previously “made it”, already, you will fall into obsolescence because your value-add will be a commodity at scale. Note the term “at scale.” Yes, you’ll still be able to win deals on personality with your immediate network, and opportunistically with founders that you occasionally click with. But can you do it for the three best deals that come to your desk every quarter for at least the next four years? If you’re building an institutional firm, for the next 20+ years. Even harder to do, when you’re considering thousands of firms are coming out of the woodwork every year. Also, an institutional LP sees at least a few hundred per year.

For starters, I recommend checking out Dave’s piece on what it means to help a company and how it impacts your brand and perception.

Deal flow is all about is your aperture wide enough. Are you capturing enough light? Portfolio size is all about how grainy the footage is. With the resolution you opt for, are you capturing enough of the details that could produce a high definition portfolio? In venture, a portfolio of five is on the smaller side. And unless you’re a proven picker, and are able to help your companies meaningfully or you’re in private equity, as a Fund I, you might want to consider a larger portfolio. It’s not uncommon to see portfolios at 30-40 in Fund I that scale down in subsequent funds once the GPs are able to recognize good from great from amazing.

I will also note, with too big of a portfolio, you end up under optimizing returns. As Jay Rongjie Wang once said, ““The reason why we diversify is to improve return per unit of risk taken.” At the same time, “bear in mind, every fund that you add to your portfolio, you’re reducing your upside as well. And that is something a lot of people don’t keep in mind.”

Moonfire Ventures did a study in 2023 and found that “the probability of returning less than 1x the fund decreases as the size of your portfolio grows, and gets close to zero when your portfolio exceeds 200 companies.” That said, “it’s almost impossible to 10x a fund with more than 110 companies in your portfolio.”

While there’s no one right answer in the never-ending diversified versus concentrated debate, nevertheless, it’s worth doing the work on how size and the number of winners in your portfolio impact returns.

First off, how are you measuring your marks? Marc Andreessen explains the concept of marks far better than I can. So not to do the point injustice, I’m just going to link his piece here.

Separately, the earliest proxies of portfolio success happens to revolve around valuations and markups, but to make it more granular, “valuation” really comes down to two things:

  1. Graduation rates
  2. Pro rata / follow-on investments

When your graduation rates between stages fall below 30%, do you know why? What kinds of founders in your portfolio fail to raise their following round? What kinds of founders graduate to the next stage but not the one after that? Are you deeply familiar with the top reasons founders in your portfolio close up shop or are unable to raise their next round? What are the greatest hesitations downstream investors have when they say no? Is it the same between the seed to Series A and the A to B?

Of your greatest winners, are you owning enough that an exit here will be deeply meaningful for your portfolio returns. As downstream investors come in, naturally dilution occurs. But owning 5% of a unicorn on exit is 5X better than owning 1% of a unicorn. For a $10M fund, it’s the difference for a single investment 1X-ing your fund and 5X-ing it.

When you lose out on your follow-on investment opportunities, what are the most common reasons you didn’t capitalize? Capital constraints? Conviction or said uglier, buyer’s remorse? Overemphasis on metrics? Lack of information rights?

Then when your winners become more obvious in the late stages and pre-IPO stages, it’s helpful to revisit some of these earlier decisions to help you course-correct in the future.

I will note with the current market, not only are the deal sizes larger (i.e. single round unicorns, in other words, a unicorn is minted after just one round of financing), there are also more opportunities to exit the portfolio than ever before. While M&A is restricted by antitrust laws, and IPOs are limited by overall investor sentiment, there have been a lot of secondary options for early stage investors as well. But that’s likely a blogpost for another day.

To sum it all up… when you miss, how far do you miss?

Obviously, it’s impossible to control all the variables. You cannot control market dynamics. As Lord Toranaga says in the show Shogun when asked “How does it feel to shape the wind to your will?”, he says “I don’t control the wind. I only study it.” You can’t control the wind, but you can choose which sails to raise, when you raise them, and which direction they point to. Similarly, you also can’t completely control which portfolio companies hit their milestones and raise follow-on capital. For that matter, you also can’t control cofounder splits, founders losing motivation, companies running out of runway, lawsuits from competitors, and so on.

But there are a select few things that you can control and that will change the destiny of your fund. To extend the basketball analogy from the beginning a bit further, you can’t change how tall you are. But you can improve your shooting. You can choose to be a shooter or a passer. You can choose the types of shots you take — 3-pointers, mid-range, and/or dunks. In the venture world, it’s the same.

The choice. Or, things you can change easily:

  1. Industry vertical
  2. Stage
  3. Valuation
  4. Portfolio size
  5. Check size
  6. Follow-on investments

The drills. Or, things you can improve with practice:

  1. Deal flow – both quantity and quality
  2. The kinds of deals you pick
  3. Value add – Does your value-add improve over time? As you grow your network? As you have more shots on goal?
  4. The deals you win – Can you convey your value-add efficiently?

And then, the game itself. The things that are much harder to influence:

  1. Graduation rates
  2. Downstream dilution
  3. Exit outcomes
  4. The market and black swan events themselves

Venture is a game where the feedback cycles are long. To get better at a game, you need reps. And you need fast feedback loops. It’s foolhardy to wait till fund term and DPI to then evaluate your skill. It’s for that reason many investors fail. They fail slowly. While not as fast of a feedback loop as basketball and sports, where success is measured in minutes, if not seconds – where the small details matter – you don’t have to wait a decade to realize if you’re good at the game or not in venture. You have years. Two to three  What kinds of companies resonate with the market? What kinds of founders and companies hit $10M ARR? In addition, what are the most common areas that founders need help with? And what kinds of companies are interesting to follow-on capital?

Do note there will always be outliers. StepStone recently came out with a report. Less than 50% of top quartile funds at Year 5 stay there by Year 10. And only 3.7% of bottom-quartile funds make it to the top over a decade. Early success is not always indicative of long-term success. But as a VC, even though we make bets on outliers, as a fund manager, do not bet that you will be the outlier. Stay consistent, especially if you’re looking to build an institutional firm.

One of my favorite Steph Curry clips is when he finds a dead spot on the court. He has such ball control mastery that he knows exactly when his technique fails and when there are forces beyond his control that fail him.

Source: ESPN

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Huge thanks to Dave McClure for inspiring the topic of this post and also for the revisions.


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The Dao of Investing in VC Funds | Jay Rongjie Wang | Superclusters | S4E8

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“The first layer is setting up your own strategy. The second layer is portfolio construction. How do you do your portfolio construction based on the strategy you set out to do? And then manager selection comes last. Within the portfolio construction target, how do you pick managers that fit that ‘mandate?’” – Jay Rongjie Wang

Jay Rongjie Wang is the founding Chief Investment Officer of Primitiva Global, where she runs a family-backed Multi-asset Strategy. She also works extensively with emerging VC managers, and sits on the Selection Committee of Bridge Funding Global.

Jay’s background uniquely combines software engineering (at the world’s largest fintech platform) and institutional investing (at top funds including Fidelity and Sequoia), as well as general management (3x executive in tech startups). Jay has lived in 5 different countries across 9 major cities, giving her a global perspective.

Jay obtained her B.A and M.Sci in Physics from Cambridge University and M.B.A from INSEAD. In 2023 she was listed as an Entrepreneurial Pioneer Under 35 by Hurun Wealth.

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wangrongjie/

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OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[04:12] Life atop a Daoist mountain
[10:27] Qigong and tai chi
[12:21] What is dao?
[19:18] The weapon that Jay specializes in
[21:08] Why did Jay leave the Daoist temple?
[24:24] The motivations behind Jay’s career shifts
[30:05] The difference between underwriting a VC fund and a fund-of-funds
[33:08] How does Jay get to know a fund manager?
[36:31] The 3-layer process for building an allocation strategy
[38:01] Picking the initial asset class
[45:29] How much Jay allocates to venture
[48:43] What does “reasonably diversified” mean?
[49:15] Figuring out the portfolio construction model
[54:59] At what point do you stop maximizing for portfolio returns?
[56:57] How Jay calculates a 200X target return on direct investments
[57:53] Data on returns as a function of portfolio size
[1:01:42] The biggest challenge once you’ve picked your strategy
[1:04:40] Selecting the right fund managers
[1:14:17] The difference between guqin and piano
[1:18:42] Intuition versus discipline
[1:24:08] Post-credit scene
[1:27:47] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
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“If you have the deal flow and you have the energy and have the skills to construct your own portfolio, then funds-of-funds obviously are more complimentary than necessary.” – Jay Rongjie Wang

“The first layer is setting up your own strategy. The second layer is portfolio construction. How do you do your portfolio construction based on the strategy you set out to do? And then manager selection comes last. Within the portfolio construction target, how do you pick managers that fit that ‘mandate?’” – Jay Rongjie Wang

“The later the stage you go, […] capital becomes more anonymous, and […] the more you converge to public market returns.” – Jay Rongjie Wang

“I only put the regenerative part of a wealth pool into venture. […] That number – how much money you are putting into venture capital per year largely dictates which game you’re playing.” – Jay Rongjie Wang

“Your average median of a fund-of-funds is higher than a venture capital fund, and the variance, the standard deviation, is lower. So it is possible for a VC fund to have 40%, 50%, or higher IRR. It’s much, much less likely for a fund-of-funds to achieve that, but also the likelihood of losing money is much, much lower for a fund-of-funds.” – Jay Rongjie Wang

“The reason why we diversify is to improve return per unit of risk taken.” – Jay Rongjie Wang

“Bear in mind, every fund that you add to your portfolio, you’re reducing your upside as well. And that is something a lot of people don’t keep in mind.” – Jay Rongjie Wang

“Once you have a strategy, the hardest thing for me is to stick to that strategy because you just meet those amazing managers, amazing funds all the time.” – Jay Rongjie Wang


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