The Complexity of the Simple Question (DGQ 20)

Last week, Youngrok and I finally launched our episode together on Superclusters. In the midst of it all, we wrestle with the balance between the complexity and simplicity of questions to get our desired answer. Of course, we made many an allusion to the DGQ series. One of which, you’ll find below.

In many ways, I started the DGQ series as a promise to myself to uncover the questions that yield the most fascinating answers. Questions that unearth answers “hidden in plain sight”. Those that help us read between the lines.

Superclusters, in many ways, is my conduit to not only interview some of my favorite people in the LP landscape, but also the opportunity to ask the perfect question to each guest. Which you’ll see in some of the below examples.

  1. Asking Abe Finkelstein about being a Pitfall Explorer and how it relates to patience (1:04:56 in S2E1)
  2. What Ben Choi’s childhood was like (2:44 in S1E6) and how proposing to his wife affects how he thinks about pitching (1:05:47 in S1E6)
  3. How selling baseball cards as a kid helped Samir Kaji get better at sales (45:05 in S1E8)

In doing so, I sometimes lose myself in the nuance. And in those times, which happen more often than I’d like to admit, the questions that yield the best answers are the simplest ones. No added flare. No research-flexing moments. Where I don’t lead the witness. And I just ask the question. In its simplest form.

For the purpose of this essay, to make this more concrete, let’s focus on a question LPs often ask GPs.

Tell me about this investment you made.

In my mind, ridiculously simple question. Younger me would call that a lazy question. In all fairness, it would be if one was not intentionally aware about the kind of answer they were looking to hear OR not hear.

The laziness comes from regressing to the template, the model, the ‘what.’ But not the ‘why’ the question is being asked, and ‘how’ it should be interpreted. For those who struggle to understand the first principles of actions and questions, I’d highly recommend reading Simon Sinek’s Start with Why, but I digress.

Circling back, every GP talks about their portfolio founders differently. If two independent thinkers have both invested Company A, they might have different answers. Won’t always be true, but if you look at two portfolios that are relatively correlated in their underlying assets AND they arrive at those answers in the same way, one does wonder if it’s worth diversifying to other managers with different theses and/or approaches.

But that’s exactly what makes this simple question (but if you want to debate semantics, statement) special. When all else is equal, VCs are left to their own devices unbounded from artificial parameters.

Then take that answer and compare and contrast it to how other GPs you know well or have invested in already. How do they answer the same question for the exact same investment? How much are those answers correlated?

It matters less that the facts are the same. Albeit, useful to know how each investor does their own homework pre- and post-investment. But more so, it’s a question on thoughtfulness. How well does each investor really know their investments? How does it compare to the answer of a GP I admire for their thoughtfulness and intentionality?

(Part of the big reason I don’t like investing in syndicates because most outsource their decision-making to larger logos in VCs. On top of that, most syndicate memos are rather paltry when it comes to information.)

The question itself is also a test of observation and self-awareness. How well do you really know the founder? Were you intentional with how you built that relationship with the founder? How does it compare to the founder’s own self-reflection? It’s also the same reason I love Doug Leone’s question, which highlights how aware one is of the people around them. What three adjectives would you use to describe your sibling?

Warren Buffett once described Charlie Munger as “the best thirty-second mind in the world. He goes from A to Z in one go. He sees the essence of everything even before you finish the sentence.” Moreover in his 2023 Berkshire annual letter, he wrote one of the most thoughtful homages ever written.

An excerpt from Berkshire’s 2023 annual letter

As early-stage investors, as belief checks, as people who bet on the nonobvious before it becomes obvious, we invest in extraordinary companies. I really like the way Chris Paik describes what we do. “Invest in companies that can’t be described in a single sentence.”

And just like there are certain companies that can’t be described in a single sentence — not the Uber for X, or the Google for Y — their founders who are even more complex than a business idea cannot be described by a single sentence either. Many GPs I come across often reduce a founder’s brilliance to the logos on their resume or the diplomas hanging on their walls. But if we bet right, the founders are a lot more than just that.

Of course, the same applies to LPs who describe the GPs they invest in.

In hopes this would be helpful to you, personally some areas I find fascinating in founders and emerging GPs and, hell just in, people in general include:

  • Their selfish motivations (the less glamorous ones) — Why do this when they can be literally doing anything else? Many of which can help them get rich faster.
  • What part of their past are they running towards and what are they running away from?
  • All the product pivots (thesis pivots) to date and why. I love inflection points.
  • If they were to do a TED talk on a subject that’s not what they’re currently building, what would it be?
  • Who do they admire? Who are their mentor figures?
  • What kind of content do they consume? How do they think about their information diet?
  • What promises have they made to themselves? No matter how small or big. Which have they kept? Which have they not?
  • How do they think about mentoring/training/upskilling the next generation of talent at their company/firm?

The DGQ series is a series dedicated to my process of question discovery and execution. When curiosity is the why, DGQ is the how. It’s an inside scoop of what goes on in my noggin’. My hope is that it offers some illumination to you, my readers, so you can tackle the world and build relationships with my best tools at your disposal. It also happens to stand for damn good questions, or dumb and garbled questions. I’ll let you decide which it falls under.


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The Questions that Form an LP Investment Thesis | Winter Mead | Superclusters | S2E3

Winter Mead is the Founder and Managing Member of the investment firm Coolwater Capital, which exclusively focuses on emerging managers and technology investments. Coolwater is an academy for training, building and scaling emerging managers, a curated community of VC investors and early-stage investment specialists, and an investment firm. Coolwater has helped launch over 175 emerging managers, establishing strong ties and trust with these managers, who form the foundation of the Coolwater community. Winter is also the author of “How To Raise A Venture Capital Fund”.

Prior to Coolwater, he played a key role in an evergreen investment fund at SAP, co-founded the LP transparency movement called #OpenLP, and served on the committee for the Institutional Limited Partners Association (ILPA), which sets the standards for the private equity industry. Winter’s extensive experience includes private equity and venture capital roles in San Francisco, institutional fund investments, direct technology investments, and angel investing.

He also served as junior faculty at Stanford Graduate School of Business, holding degrees from the University of Oxford and Harvard University, and now resides in Utah with his family, passionately solving business challenges.

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OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[03:14] Why Winter biked across Spain with a flask of maple syrup in his back pocket
[05:55] How did Amy Lichorat change Winter’s career?
[07:15] How did Winter get into Hall Capital Partners?
[10:34] What makes Hall Capital Partners special?
[13:49] How office design affects the team’s ability to learn
[23:49] The value of living in the Bay Area
[27:17] Where to meet founders and VCs in the Bay Area
[33:35] Institutional checks vs angel checks
[38:58] Two of Winter’s decision-making frameworks for angel investments
[41:58] How to build an LP investment thesis
[52:53] The interplay of fear and diligence
[59:44] Two rookie mistakes that emerging LPs make
[1:05:34] The chip on Winter’s shoulder
[1:09:03] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
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DGQ 19: Does the overall level of the team make me question if I’d be a good enough to play in this industry?

“I won’t forget the first time I saw Jason Peters do a one-on-one pass set with Trent Cole, and being amazed at the speed, balance, and power I just witnessed. It reminded me, or looked like, a grizzly bear wrestling a panther. It was so impressive, it made me question if I was good enough to play in this league.”

Much of this DGQ was inspired by Jason Kelce’s retirement speech, delivered with the prose and candor befitting of a legend. Which for those who have yet to read/listen to it, it’s 24 minutes that will be well-spent, whether you’re a sports, football, or Eagles fan or not.

There’s something really special about being the underdog. Whether you feel it or others say it. That slight chip on the shoulder, that measured level of imposter syndrome, is fuel to the fire. There is a distinct advantage for being the dumbest person in the room, knowing that there are mentor figures on the team you can learn voraciously from, even if by osmosis. And if you do have naysayers, you have the greatest privilege to prove them wrong. It means that you have space to grow. That journey ahead, at least for me, is quite exciting.

After all, in Jason’s 2018 Super Bowl Parade speech, he quoted another line from Jeff Stoutland. “Hungry dogs run faster.”

Although not framed nearly as eloquently as Jason Kelce put it, it’s something I think about a lot. Does the overall level of the team make me question if I’d be a good enough to play in this industry?

Challenge is as scary as it is thrilling.

Similarly in VC, we often say it’s an apprenticeship business. And it’s true. Almost every great investor I know had someone who took them under their wing and showed them the ropes. Sometimes a set of people. And it’s incredibly hard to learn and check your blindside without someone who plans to dedicate a good portion of their time to do so. That said, the next best you can get is to learn by osmosis.

You are the average of the five people you hang out with most. So if you have the chance to live and breathe alongside people who intimidate you with their skill, intellect and the way they execute in a good way, take it.

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The DGQ series is a series dedicated to my process of question discovery and execution. When curiosity is the why, DGQ is the how. It’s an inside scoop of what goes on in my noggin’. My hope is that it offers some illumination to you, my readers, so you can tackle the world and build relationships with my best tools at your disposal. It also happens to stand for damn good questions, or dumb and garbled questions. I’ll let you decide which it falls under.


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Diligence Questions: As Simple As They Are Complex | Youngrok Kim | Superclusters | S2E2

Youngrok Kim is a Partner at GREE LP Fund, a Fund of Funds operating in the US and Japan. Previously, he held the position of SVP at Recruit Strategic Partner, the strategic investment arm of Recruit Holdings, a major internet company in Japan. Youngrok began his career as an engineer at Goldman Sachs before transitioning to a VC career at ARCH Venture Partners in Chicago. He earned an MBA from the University of Chicago and received his degrees in Information Technology from Aoyama Gakuin University in Tokyo.

You can find Youngrok on his socials here:
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/youngrok-kim/

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OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[04:10] How did Youngrok find himself in Japan?
[09:29] Picking up the Japanese language
[20:29] How did Youngrok go from Japanese guitarist to being an LP?
[26:50] From pitching LPs on a fund-of-funds to getting a job offer from a prospective LP
[33:21] GREE LP Fund’s hiring process
[37:40] The three sources of data that helped Youngrok’s fund-of-funds thesis come together
[44:17] Superpowers and where to reference check them
[48:57] Simple versus nuanced questions for fund managers or reference checks
[56:12] One thing that many GPs think is special but actually isn’t for an LP
[58:52] What makes a good LPAC member?
[1:00:26] What are typical questions GPs have for their LPACs?
[1:05:28] Why GP friendships with other emerging managers might be becoming less important?
[1:11:55] A fun fact about Youngrok’s name
[1:12:55] Playing a number game with Youngrok
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The Proliferation of LP Podcasts

I am under no illusion that there is a hell of a lot of interest in the LP landscape today. Not only from GPs who are realizing the difficulties of the fundraising climate, but also from aspiring and emerging LPs who are allocating to venture for the first time. The latter of which also have a growing set of interests in backing emerging GPs. And in the center console in this Venn diagram of interests lies the education of how to think like an LP.

I still remember back in 2022 and prior, we had Beezer’s #OpenLP initiative, Ted Seides’ Capital Allocators podcast, Notation Capital’s Origins, and Chris Douvos’ SuperLP.com. Last of which, by the way, can we start a petition to have Chris Douvos write more again? But I digress. All four of which trendsetters in their own right. But the world had yet to catch storm. Or maybe, the people around me and I had yet to feel the acceleration of interest.

Today, in 2024, we have:

There is no shortage of content. LPs are also starting to make their rounds. You’ll often see the same LP on multiple podcasts. And that’s not a bad thing. In fact, that’s very much of a good thing that we’re starting to see a lot more visibility here and that LPs are willing to share.

But we’re at the beginning of a crossroads.

A few years back, the world was starved of LP content. And content creators and aggregators like Beezer, Ted, Nick, and Chris, were oases in the desert for those searching. Today, we have a buffet of options. Many of which share listenership and viewership. In fact, a burgeoning cohort of LPs are also doing their rounds. And that’s a good thing. It’s more surface area for people to learn.

But at some point, the wealth of information leads to the poverty of attention. The question goes from “Where do I tune into LP content?” to “If I were to listen to the same LP, which platform would I choose to tune into?

After all, we only have 24 hours in a day. A third for sleep. A third for work. And the last competes against every possible option that gives us joy — friends, hangouts, Netflix, YouTube, hobbies, exercise, passion projects and more.

In the same way, Robert Downey Jr. or Emma Stone or Timothée Chamalet (yes, I just watched Dune 2 and I loved it) is going to do multiple interviews. With 20, 30, even 50 different hosts. But as a fan (excluding die-hard ones), you’re likely not going to watch all of them. But you’ll select a small handful — two or three — to watch. And that choice will largely be influenced by which interviewer and their respective style you like.

While my goal is to always surface new content instead of remixes of old, there will always be the inevitability of cross-pollination of lessons between content creators. And so, if nothing else, my goal is to keep my identity — and as such, my style — as I continue recording LP content. To me, that’s the human behind the money behind the VC money. And each person — their life story, the way they think, why they think the way they think — is absolutely fascinating.

There’s this great Amos Tversky line I recently stumbled upon. “You waste years by not being able to waste hours.” And in many ways, this blog, Superclusters, writing at large, and my smaller experiments are the proving grounds I need to find my interest-expertise fit. Some prove to be fleeting passions. Others, like building for emerging LPs, prove to be much more.

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How One of VC’s Biggest LPs Builds Relationships | Abe Finkelstein | Superclusters | S2E1

Abe Finkelstein, Managing Partner at Vintage, has been leading fund, secondary, and growth stage investments focused on fintech, gaming, and SMB software, among others, leading growth stage and secondary investments for Vintage in companies like Monday.com, Minute Media, Payoneer, MoonActive and Honeybook.

Prior to joining Vintage in 2003, Abe was an equity analyst with Goldman Sachs, covering Israel-based technology companies in a wide variety of sectors, including software, telecom equipment, networking, semiconductors, and satellite communications. While at Goldman Sachs, Abe, and the Israel team were highly ranked by both Thomson Extel and Institutional Investor.

Prior to Goldman Sachs, Abe was Vice-President at U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray, where he helped launch and led the firm’s Israel technology shares institutional sales effort. Before joining Piper, he was an Associate at Brown Brothers Harriman, covering the enterprise software and internet sectors. Abe began his career at Josephthal, Lyon, and Ross, joining one of the first research teams focused exclusively on Israel-based companies.

Abe graduated Magna Cum Laude from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania with a BS in Economics and a concentration in Finance.

Vintage Investment Partners is a global venture platform managing ~$4 billion across venture Fund of Funds, Secondary Funds, and Growth-Stage Funds focused on venture in the U.S., Europe, Israel, and Canada. Vintage is invested in many of the world’;s leading venture funds and growth-stage tech startups striving to make a lasting impact on the world and has exposure directly and indirectly to over 6,000 technology companies.

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abe-finkelstein/

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OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[03:22] How did Abe get his first job?
[15:30] The currency of trust
[17:12] How does Vintage view mistakes and weaknesses?
[20:03] How Vintage organizes team offsites
[28:42] The lessons Abe gained on people and long-term potential
[33:47] Type 1 and Type 2 errors when evaluating GPs
[36:00] How does Vintage work with their GPs and the GPs’ portfolio companies?
[45:06] What Abe likes to see in a cold email
[49:33] Funds that Abe says no to
[51:18] When does fund size as a function of stage not make sense for Vintage?
[54:51] Carry splits within a fund
[1:02:08] What kinds of funds does Vintage not re-up in?
[1:05:23] How did Abe become a Pitfall Explorer?
[1:07:38] What Abe has learned over the years about patience?
[1:11:05] One of Abe’s biggest blows in his career
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What You Can and Cannot Control as a GP

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Not too long ago, I was catching up with the amazing Owen Willis, someone I’ve been lucky to see in action during our time at On Deck together, who now runs Opal Ventures. And there was one thing he mentioned that I cannot stop thinking about.

As a fund manager, there are things you can control. And things you cannot.

So often, many a fund manager focus on things they cannot. The market. In many ways, marks. And not enough on things, they can. Chief of which, communication. What. How. When.

Are your LPs hearing about news on you or your portfolio — good and bad — from you or from another source?

What are you seeing in the market? What is your insight into it? Why? After all, LPs pay you for your opinion.

And how frequently do you maintain an open line of communication with your LPs? Do you share everything? Or only the good? Do you miss regular updates because of how busy you get?

To nosedive a level deeper, as a GP, what are your most powerful tools of communication with LPs? Not to lead the witness, but you’ve probably figured it out. LP updates. Many GPs I meet tend to only have one type. At best one and a half.

There’s the update GPs send your existing LPs. But they also understand the value of prospective LPs, so they end up sending the exact same to prospects. Maybe with some numbers redacted (if it includes sensitive information on the portfolio). Most of the time, that’s it. But really, it’s helpful to think about existing and prospects as two different audiences. The former will naturally be disposed to support. The latter is still deciding if they want to support. They have yet to be converted.

As such, instead of one, there should be two types of LP updates. To make it simpler, one is for “customer success.” The other is for “sales and BD.”

There’s a lot of content on this front already, so I’ll spare you the extra verbiage here. But if you want a place to start, I’d recommend the below first:

But to provide a brief summary (plus, a snazzle dazzle of the Cup of Zhou perspective), typical LP updates I see have:

  1. The Abstract / TL;DR / What to know if you only had 2 minutes
  2. Performance (TVPI, DPI, IRR, new investments, % deployed, % left, % capital called, and (if so) did you preemptively mark down portcos and why)
  3. Net New Investments — 2-3 lines about each company + what’s promising + why’d you invest + website link + key highlights (you’ll need sign off from your founders for this last one)
  4. Asks — for your portfolio and for your fund
  5. Team updates — if your team changed (i.e. new hires)
  6. General portfolio updates — the good, the bad, the ugly
  7. Capital call schedules / Legal stuff if any
  8. Insights into the market (if any)

In general, you want to tell your LPs if there are any updates before they find out about them themselves. Better to hear from you than from other channels.

Lastly, I like personal flare and highlights as well. But hell, that’s up to each GP’s preference.

So, there will be some overlap of information with the earlier type of update. With some redactions, particularly the specific numbers on the portfolio side. That said, rather than what goes in it, what might be more helpful is how to think about it.

Sales, like in any other industry, requires you to know your customer.

Some general framing questions:

  1. Are they the solution to your problem or are you the solution to their problem?
    • For instance, are they actively looking to deploy? Why? What motivates them? If not, you might be pushing a rock uphill. If yes, are you actually what they’re looking for, or can you better triage them to a friend who is investing in what they’re looking for. Relationships are long.
  2. Do they see VC as an access class or an asset class?
    • Generally, not always, individuals and family offices see VC as an access class. So they care more about co-investment opportunities, deal flow for them to directly invest, and/or opportunities to learn from you. In other words, these LPs want to see what you’re investing in, who else is validating your investments, and what are you seeing and learning. If you’re a Fund I, you’re probably spending more time with these LPs.
    • Institutions, like foundations, endowments, pensions, and fund of funds, see VC as an asset class. As such, returns and performance matter a lot more. So the best ways to convince them is to let the numbers do the talking AND how close you stick with your initial strategy and if you deviate, why. Promise fulfillment, or in LP lingo, consistency of strategy, matters just as much as returns, if not more, once return profiles measure up to 3-5X across several years. Or when and how quickly DPI hits 1X. If you’re a Fund II+, you’re probably spending more time prospecting these.
  3. Are you looking to institutionalize your fund? To go from a fund to a firm?
    • If so, how do you set yourself up to grow in team? How are you knocking out key risks one by one?
    • And in a loose way, not for an LP update, what happens once you get hit by a bus?
  4. What kind of cadence makes sense for you and is enough to keep you top of mind for these LPs?
    • Including events you’re hosting or when you’re visiting certain geographies are always a nice added bonus.

And lastly, getting feedback is always important. As you might suspect. So that your communication between both your existing and prospective LPs only improves over time.

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Winning Deals Based on Check Size (VCs versus LPs)

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I know I just wrote a blogpost on how LPs assess if GPs can win deals. But after a few recent conversations with LPs in fund of funds, as well as emerging LPs, I thought it would be interesting to draw the parallel of not only proxies of how GPs win deals, but also proxies of how LPs win deals. And as such, coming back with a part two. Maybe a part one and a half. You get the point.

The greatest indicator for the ability to win deals as a VC is to see what the largest check (and greatest ownership target) a world-class founder will take from you. (That said, if you are only capable of winning deals based on price, you might want to consider another career. You should have other reasons a brilliant founder will pick you.) And even better if they give you a board seat.

The greatest indicator for the ability to win deals as an LP is to see what the smallest check a world-class GP will take from you. And even better if they give you a seat on the LPAC.

In the world where capital is more or less a commodity, the more capital one can provide (with some loose constraints on maximums), the better. But if someone who has no to little trouble raising is willing to open doors in a potentially over-subscribed fund for you, that’s something special.

An LP I was chatting with recently loves asking the question, “How big of a check size would you like me to write?” And to him, the answer “As much as you can.” Or “I’ll take any number.” is a bad answer. According to him, the best GPs know exactly how much they’re expecting from LPs, and sometimes as a function of how helpful they can be, especially in a Fund I or II. But always as a function of portfolio construction. Your fund size is after all your strategy, as the Mike Maples adage goes. While I don’t know if I completely agree with this approach, I did find this approach intriguing, and at least worth a double take.

I’m forgetting the attribution here. The curse of forgetting to write things down when I hear them. But I was listening to a podcast, or maybe it was a conversation, where they used the analogy that being a VC is like watching your child on the playground. You let your child do whatever they want to. Go down the slides. Climb the monkey bars. Sit on the swings. And so on. You let them chart their own narratives. But your job as the parent is once you see your kid doing something dangerous, that’s when you step in. When they’re about to jump off a 2-story slide. Or swing upside-down. But otherwise your kid knows best on how to have fun. In the founders’ case, they know how to build an amazing product for an audience who’s dying for it.

Excluding the fact that you’re a good friend or family that go way back, you likely have something of great strategic value to that GP — be it:

  • Network to other LPs
  • Operational expertise and value to portfolio companies (to a point where you being an LP will help the GP win deals with founders)
  • Operational expertise to the GP and the investment team
  • Investment expertise to help check the GP’s blindside
  • Access to downstream capital
  • Deal flow, or
  • Simply, mentorship

At the same time, ONSET Ventures once found that “if you had a full-time mentor who was not part of the company’s management team, and who had actually run both a start-up and a larger business, the success rate increased from less than 25% to over 80%.” (You can find the case study here. As an FYI, the afore-mentioned link leads to a download of the HBS case study.)

That’s the role of the board. The LPAC. Of the advisory board. For a founder or emerging GP, the full-time availability of said board members or LPAC members is vital.

A proxy of a mentor’s availability is pre-existing relationships between founder/emerging funder and said investor or advisor. Another is simply the responsiveness of the investor or advisor. Do they take less than 12 hours to reply? Or 3-5 business days? It’s for that latter reason Sequoia’s Pat Grady once lost out on an investment deal to his life partner, Sarah Guo. Being responsive goes a long way.

In sum, for LPs in fund of fund managers, small things go a long way.

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