The Third Leg of Firm-Building

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Five years ago, I wrote a piece about the third leg of the race. From my time as a competitive swimmer, the lesson our coach always had for us was if you’re swimming anything more than two laps, the most important part of every race is the third leg. Everyone’s tired. Everyone’s gasping for air. Yet everyone wants to win. The question is who wants it more. And by the time you get to a decently high level, everyone’s athleticism is about the same. All that matters is the mentality you have on that third segment of four of each race.

We often say, that starting a company or a fund is a marathon, not a sprint. True in a lot of ways. But also, it’s a series of sprints within a marathon.

We put out an episode last week with the amazing Ben Choi, which I really can’t stop recommending. Just because I learn something new every time I talk with Ben, and this time especially so. But that’s my own bias, and I get it. But more interestingly, he said something that I couldn’t get out of my mind since we recorded. “The first three fundsโ€”not just the first two, the first threeโ€”are that ‘working-out’ process. Most pragmatically, there’s very little performance to be seen by Fund III. So it’s actually Fund IV for us to hold up the manager as no longer emerging and now needs to earn its own place in the portfolio.” The timestamp is at 16:21 if you’re curious.

And it got me thinking… is Fund III that third leg of the race?

When most GPs raise Fund III, they’re usually four, maybe five years, out from their Fund I. And that’s assuming they started deploying as soon as they raised their fund. And within five years, not that much changes. Usually, that’s two funding rounds after your first investments. But lemons ripen early, so only a small, small subset move to Series A or B. Most have raised one or less subsequent round since the GP committed capital.

Even accounting for two funding rounds later, that’s usually too early to consider selling into the next round. And if one does (unless it’s a heavily diversified portfolio and the GP has no information rights, and somehow is so far removed from the company that no one at the company talks to the GP anymore), then there’s signaling risk. Because:

  1. No matter what portfolio strategy you run, not staying in touch with your best performing companies is a cardinal sin. Not only can you not use those companies as references (which LPs do look for), you also can’t say your deal flow increased meaningfully over time. No senior executive or early employee knows who you are. So if they leave the company and start their own, they wouldn’t pitch you. Your network doesn’t get better over time. See my gratitude essay for more depth here.
  2. Not having any information rights and/or visibility is another problem. Do the founders not trust you? Do you have major investor’s rights? How are you managing follow-on investment decision makingโ€”whether that’s through reserves or SPVs? Are the blind leading the blind?
  3. And if you do run a diversified portfolio, where optically selling early may not be as reputationally harmful to the company, you are losing out on the power law. And for a diversified portfolio, say a 50-company portfolio. You need a 50X on an individual investment to return the fund. 150X if you want to 3X the fund. As opposed to a concentrated 20-company portfolio, where you only need 20X to return the fund and 60X to 3X. As such, selling too early meaningfully caps your upside for an asset class that is one of the few power law-driven ones. As Jamie Rhode once said, โ€œIf youโ€™re compounding at 25% for 12 years, that turns into a 14.9X. If youโ€™re compounding at 14%, thatโ€™s a 5. And the public market which is 11% gets you a 3.5X. [โ€ฆ] If the asset is compounding at a venture-like CAGR, donโ€™t sell out early because youโ€™re missing out on a huge part of that ultimate multiple. For us, weโ€™re taxable investors. I have to go pay taxes on that asset you sold out of early and go find another asset compounding at 25%.โ€ Taking it a step further, assuming 12-year fund cycles, and 25% IRR, โ€œthe last 20% of time produces 46% of that return.โ€ And that’s just the last three years of a fund, much less sooner.
  4. Finally, any early DPI you do get up to Fund I t+5 years is negligible. Anything under 0.5X, and for some LPs, anything sub-1X, isn’t any more inspiring to invest in than if you had absolutely no DPI.

Yet despite all of the above, the only thing you can prove to LPs are the inputs. Not the outputs. You can prove that you invested in the same number of companies as you promised. You can prove that you’re pacing in the same manner as you promised. And you can prove that founders take the same check size and offer the same ownership to you as you promised. And that is always good. As you raise from friends and family and early believers in Fund I, Fund III’s raise usually inches towards smaller institutions, but larger checks than you likely had in Fund I.

  1. Fund-of-funds care about legibility. Logos. Outliers. Realistically, if you didn’t have any before Fund I, the likelihood of you having any while raising Fund III is slim. They need to tell a story to their LPs. A story of access and getting in on gems that no one else has heard of, but if everyone knew, they’d fight to get in.
  2. Any person you pitch to who has any string of three to four letters (or is hired to be a professional manager) attached to their name (i.e. MBA, CAIA, CFA, CPA, etc.) has a job. For many, their incentive unless their track record speaks for itself (likely not, given how long venture funds take to fully return capital) is to “not get fired for buying IBM.” Some of their year-end bonuses are attached to that. Some lack the bandwidth and the team members to fully immerse themselves in the true craft of emerging manager investing. Many times, the incentive structure is outside of their immediate hands. For every bet they make that isn’t obvious, they risk career suicide. At least within that institution.

I’m obviously generalizing. While this may be true for 90%+ of LPs who fit in these categories, there are obviously outliers. Never judge a book by its cover. But it’s often helpful to set your expectations realistically.

As such, despite not much changing from your investment side, from the eyes of most LPs, you are graduating to larger and larger LP checks. Usually because of the need to provide more proof points towards the ultimate fund strategy you would like to deploy when you’re ‘established.’ But to each new set of LPs, prior to an institutional 8-year track record, you’re still new. On top of that, as your fund size likely grows a bit in size from Fund I, to some LPs, you are drifting from your initial strategy by no longer being participatory and now leading and co-leading. You also might have added a new partner, like Ben talks about in the afore-mentioned episode. And a new strategy and a new team requires new proof points related to on-thesis investments. So, Fund III is where you begin to need to whether the storm. For some, that may start from Fund II. Altos Ventures took four years to raise their Fund II. Many others I know struggled to do the same. But if you really want to be in VC long term, this is the third leg of the race.

And this is when a lot of GPs start tapping out. Will you?

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When Do You Know If You’ve Grown Up as a VC? | El Pack w/ Ben Choi | Superclusters

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Ben Choi from Next Legacy joins David on El Pack to answer your questions on how to build a venture capital fund. We bring on 3 GPs at VC funds to ask 3 different questions.

Gilgamesh Ventures’ Miguel Armaza, also host of the incredible Fintech Leaders podcast, asks Ben what is the timing of when a GP should consider raising a Fund III.

Similarly, but not the same, Strange Ventures’ Tara Tan asks when an LP backs a Fund I, how do they know that this Fund I GP will last till Fund III.

Arkane Capital’s Arkady Kulik asks how one should think about building an LP community, especially as he brings in new and different LP archetypes into Arkane’s ecosystem.

Ben manages over $3.5B investments with premier venture capital firms as well as directly in early stage startups. He brings to Next Legacy a distinguished track record spanning three decades in the technology ecosystem.

Benโ€™s love for technology products formed the basis for his successful venture track record, including pre-PMF investments in Marketo (acquired for $4.75B) and CourseHero (last valued at $3.6B). He previously ran product for Adobeโ€™s Creative Cloud offerings and founded CoffeeTable, where he raised venture capital financing, built a team, and ultimately sold the company.

Ben is an alum and Board Member of the Society of Kauffman Fellows (venture capital leadership) and has also served his community on the Board of Directors for the San Francisco Chinese Culture Center, Childrenโ€™s Health Council, Church of the Pioneers Foundation, and IVCF.

Ben studied Computer Science at Harvard University before Mark Zuckerberg made it cool and received his MBA from Columbia Business School. Born in Peoria, raised in San Francisco, and educated in Cambridge, Ben now lives in Los Altos with his wife, Lydia, three very active sons, and a ball python.

You can find Ben on his socials here:
X / Twitter: https://x.com/benjichoi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bchoi/

Listen to the episode onย Apple Podcastsย andย Spotify. You can alsoย watch the episode on YouTube here.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[05:05] Ben’s 2025 Halloween costume
[06:44] Jensen Huang’s leather jackets
[07:24] Jensen Huang’s answer to Ben’s one question
[10:05] Enter Miguel, Gilgamesh Ventures, Fintech Leaders
[14:43] What are good signals an LP looks for before a GP raises a Fund III?
[22:35] Why does Ben say ‘established’ starts at Fund IV?
[25:08] Who’s the audience for Miguel’s podcast?
[27:52] In case you want more like this…
[28:32] Enter Tara and Strange Ventures
[32:46] How does Ben know a Fund I will become a Fund III?
[36:53] How does Ben know if a GP will want to build an enduring career?
[40:58] How does Tara share a future GP she’d like to work with to Ben?
[42:43] Marriage and divorce rates in America
[43:34] What should a Fund I do to institutionalize?
[46:28] Should you share LP updates to current or prospective LPs?
[48:57] Enter Arkady and Arkane Capital
[51:09] How does one think through LP-community fit?
[1:01:31] What’s Arkady’s favorite board game?
[1:03:08] Ben’s last piece of advice to GPs
[1:09:50] My favorite Ben moment on Superclusters

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SELECT QUOTES FROM THIS EPISODE:

โ€œThe dance of fundraising is when you do have [your thesis], the LP has to figure out is this a rationalization of the past or is it actually what happened? Was this known at the time? Because if it was, we can have some confidence in the future going forward. But if it was just a rationalization of some randomness, then itโ€™s hard to know if Fund IV or V or VI will benefit from the same pattern.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi

On solo GPs bringing in future partners by Fund IIIโ€ฆ โ€œThe future unidentified partner is the largest risk that we have to decide to accept. So there actually isnโ€™t a moment where we decide this GP is going to be around for Fund III. Itโ€™s actually the dominating risk we look at and we get there, but itโ€™s a preponderance of other things that we need to build our conviction so high that weโ€™re willing to take that risk.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi

โ€œItโ€™s brutal. Itโ€™s a 30-year journey. For any GP who raises a single dollar from external LPs, itโ€™s a 30-year journey.โ€ โ€” Tara Tan

โ€œI donโ€™t think anyone goes into this business to raise capital, but your ability to raise capital is ultimately what allows you to be in this business.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi

On communityโ€ฆ โ€œYour core question is how much diversityโ€”in the technical term of diversityโ€”can you tolerate before you lose the sense of community.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi

โ€œMost letters from a parent contain a parent’s own lost dreams disguised as good advice.โ€ โ€” Kurt Vonnegut

โ€œFundraising is a journey of finding investors who want what you have to offer; itโ€™s not convincing somebody to do something.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi


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35 Biggest Investing Lessons from 4 Seasons of Superclusters

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The title says it all. I’m four seasons in and I’m fortunate to have learned from some of the best and most thoughtful individuals in the LP industry. I often joke with friends that Superclusters allows me to ask dumb questions to smart people. But there’s quite a bit of truth there as well. I look back in Season 1, and I’m proud to see the evolution of my questions as well.

There was a piece back in 2022 where Johns Hopkins’ Jeff Hooke said that “75% of funds insist they are in the top quartile.” To my anecdotal knowledge, that seems to hold. I might say 75% of angel investors starting their first funds say they’re top quartile. And 90% of Fund IIs say their Fund Is are top quartile. So the big looming question as an LP is how do you know which are and which aren’t.

And if we were all being honest with each other, the first five years of returns and IRRs really aren’t indicative of the fund’s actual performance. In fact, Stepstone had a recent piece that illustrated fewer than 50% of top-quartile funds at Year 5 stay there by Year 10. 30% fall to second quartile. 13% slip to third. 9% fall from grace to the bottom quartile. But only 3.7% of bottom-quartile funds make it to the top quartile after its 10-year run (on a net TVPI basis).

I’ve enjoyed every single podcast episode I’ve recorded to date. And all the offline conversations that I’ve had because of the podcast itself. Nevertheless, it’s always fascinating when I learn something for the first time on the podcast while we’re recording. Excluding the longer lessons some of our guests have shared (I’m looking at you Evan, Charlotte, and much much more), below are the many Twitter-worthy (not calling it X) soundbites that have come up in the podcast so far.

  1. โ€œEntrepreneurship is like a gas. Itโ€™s hottest when itโ€™s compressed.โ€ โ€” Chris Douvos
  2. โ€œIโ€™m looking for well-rounded holes that are made up of jagged pieces that fit together nicely.โ€ โ€” Chris Douvos
  3. โ€œIf you provide me exposure to the exact same pool of startups [as] another GP of mine, then unfortunately, you donโ€™t have proprietary deal flow for me. You donโ€™t enhance my network diversification.โ€ โ€” Jamie Rhode
  4. โ€œSell when you can, not when you have to.โ€ โ€” Howard Lindzon
  5. โ€œWhen you think about investing in any fund, youโ€™re really looking at three main components. Itโ€™s sourcing ability. Are you seeing the deals that fit within whatever business model youโ€™re executing on? Do you have some acumen for picking? And then, the third is: what is your ability to win? Have you proven your ability to win, get into really interesting deals that mightโ€™ve been either oversubscribed or hard to get into? Were you able to do your pro rata into the next round because you added value? And we also look through the lens of: Does this person have some asymmetric edge on at least two of those three things?โ€ โ€” Samir Kaji
  6. โ€œ85% of returns flow to 5% of the funds, and that those 5% of the funds are very sticky. So we call that the โ€˜Champions League Effect.โ€™โ€ โ€” Jaap Vriesendorp
  7. โ€œThe truth of the matter, when we look at the data, is that entry points matter much less than the exit points. Because venture is about outliers and outliers are created through IPOs, the exit window matters a lot. And to create a big enough exit window to let every vintage that we create in the fund of funds world to be a good vintage, we invest [in] pre-seed and seed funds โ€“ that invest in companies that need to go to the stock market maybe in 7-8 years. Then Series A and Series B equal โ€˜early stage.โ€™ And everything later than that, we call โ€˜growth.โ€™โ€ โ€” Jaap Vriesendorp
  8. โ€œ[When] youโ€™re generally looking at four to five hundred distinct companies, 10% of those companies generally drive most of the returns. You want to make sure that the company that drives the returns you are invested in with the manager where you size it appropriately relative to your overall fund of funds. So when we double click on our funds, the top 10 portfolio companies โ€“ not the funds, but portfolio companies, return sometimes multiples of our fund of funds.โ€ โ€” Aram Verdiyan
  9. โ€œIf youโ€™re overly concentrated, you better be damn good at your job โ€˜cause you just raised the bar too high.โ€ โ€” Beezer Clarkson
  10. โ€œ[David Marquardt] said, โ€˜You know what? Youโ€™re a well-trained institutional investor. And your decision was precisely right and exactly wrong.โ€™ And sometimes that happens. In this business, sometimes good decisions have bad outcomes and bad decisions have good outcomes.โ€ โ€” Chris Douvos
  11. โ€œMiller Motorcars doesnโ€™t accept relative performance for least payments on your Lamborghini.โ€ โ€” Chris Douvos
  12. โ€œThe biggest leverage on time you can get is identifying which questions are the need-to-haves versus nice-to-haves and knowing when enough work is enough.โ€ โ€” John Felix
  13. โ€œIn venture, we donโ€™t look at IRR at all because manipulating IRR is far too easy with the timing of capital calls, credit lines, and various other levers that can be pulled by the GP.โ€ โ€” Evan Finkel
  14. โ€œThe average length of a VC fund is double that of a typical American marriage. So VC splits โ€“ divorce โ€“ is much more likely than getting hit by a bus.โ€ โ€” Raida Daouk
  15. โ€œHistorically, if you look at the last 10 years of data, it would suggest that multiple [of the premium of a late stage valuation to seed stage valuation] should cover around 20-25 times. [โ€ฆ] In 2021, that number hit 42 times. [โ€ฆ] Last year, that number was around eight.โ€ โ€” Rick Zullo (circa 2024)
  16. โ€œThe job and the role that goes most unseen by LPs and everybody outside of the firm is the role of the culture keeper.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi
  17. โ€œYou can map out what your ideal process is, but itโ€™s actually the depth of discussion that the internal team has with one another. [โ€ฆ] You have to define what your vision for the firm is years out, in order to make sure that youโ€™re setting those people up for success and that they have a runway and a growth path and that they feel empowered and they feel like theyโ€™re learning and theyโ€™re contributing as part of the brand. And so much of what happens there, it does tie back to culture [โ€ฆ] Thereโ€™s this amazing, amazing commercial that Michael Phelps did, [โ€ฆ] and the tagline behind it was โ€˜Itโ€™s what you do in the dark that puts you in the light.โ€™โ€ โ€” Lisa Cawley
  18. โ€œIn venture, LPs are looking for GPs with loaded dice.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi
  19. โ€œIf I hire someone, I donโ€™t really want to hire right out of school. I want to hire someone with a little bit of professional experience. And I want someone whoโ€™s been yelled at. [โ€ฆ] I donโ€™t want to have to triple check work. I want to be able to build trust. Going and getting that professional experience somewhere, even if itโ€™s at a startup or venture firm. Having someone have oversight on you and [push] you to do excellent work and [help] you understand why it mattersโ€ฆ High quality output can help you gain so much trust.โ€ โ€” Jaclyn Freeman Hester
  20. โ€œLPs watch the movie, but donโ€™t read the book.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi
  21. โ€œIf itโ€™s not documented, itโ€™s not done.โ€ โ€” Lisa Cawley
  22. โ€œIf somebody is so good that they can raise their own fund, thatโ€™s exactly who you want in your partnership. You want your partnership of equals that decide to get together, not just are so grateful to have a chance to be here, but theyโ€™re not that great.โ€ โ€” Ben Choi
  23. โ€œWhen you bring people in as partners, being generous around compensating them from funds they did not build can help create alignment because theyโ€™re not sitting there getting rich off of something that started five years ago and exits in ten years. So theyโ€™re kind of on an island because everybody else is in a different economic position and that can be very isolating.โ€ โ€” Jaclyn Freeman Hester
  24. โ€œNeutral references are worse than negative references.โ€ โ€” Kelli Fontaine
  25. โ€œEverybody uses year benchmarking, but thatโ€™s not the appropriate way to measure. We have one fund manager that takes five years to commit the capital to do initial investments versus a manager that does it all in a year. Youโ€™re gonna look very, very different. Ten years from now, 15 years from now, then you can start benchmarking against each other from that vintage.โ€ โ€” Kelli Fontaine
  26. โ€œWe are not in the Monte Carlo simulation game at all; weโ€™re basically an excel spreadsheet.โ€ โ€” Jeff Rinvelt
  27. โ€œA lot of those skills [to be a fund manager] are already baked in. The one that wasnโ€™t baked in for a lot of these firms was the exit manager โ€“ the ones that help you sell. [โ€ฆ] If you donโ€™t have it, there should be somebody that itโ€™s their job to look at exits. โ€ โ€” Jeff Rinvelt
  28. โ€œGetting an LP is like pulling a weight with a string of thread. If you pull too hard, the string snaps. If you donโ€™t pull hard enough, you donโ€™t pull the weight at all. Itโ€™s this very careful balancing act of moving people along in a process.โ€ โ€” Dan Stolar
  29. โ€œGoing to see accounts before budgets are set helps get your brand and your story in the mind of the budget setter. In the case of the US, budgets are set in January and July, depending on the fiscal year. In the case of Japan, budgets are set at the end of March, early April. To get into the budget for Tokyo, you gotta be working with the client in the fall to get them ready to do it for the next fiscal year. [For] Korea, the budgets are set in January, but they donโ€™t really get executed on till the first of April. So thereโ€™s time in there where you can work on those things. The same thing is true with Europe. A lot of budgets are mid-year. So you develop some understanding of patterns. You need to give yourself, for better or worse if youโ€™re raising money, two to three years of relationship-building with clients.โ€ โ€” David York
  30. โ€œMany pension plans, especially in America, put blinders on. โ€˜Donโ€™t tell me what Iโ€™m paying my external managers. I really want to focus and make sure weโ€™re not overpaying our internal people.โ€™ And so then it becomes, you canโ€™t ignore the external fees because the internal costs and external fees are related.ย If you pay great people internally, you can push back on the external fees. If you donโ€™t pay great people internally, then youโ€™re a price taker.โ€ โ€” Ashby Monk
  31. โ€œYou need to realize that when the managers tell you that itโ€™s only the net returns that matter. Theyโ€™re really hoping youโ€™ll just accept that as a logic thatโ€™s sound. What theyโ€™re hoping you donโ€™t question them on is the difference between your gross return and your net return is an investment in their organization. And that is a capability that will compound in its value over time. And then they will wield that back against you and extract more fees from you, which is why the alternative investment industry in the world today isย where most of the profits in the investment industry are capturedย and captured by GPs.โ€ โ€” Ashby Monk
  32. โ€œI often tell pensions you should pay people at the 49th percentile. So, just a bit less than average. So that the people going and working there also share the mission. They love the mission โ€˜cause that actually is, in my experience, the magic of the culture in these organizations that you donโ€™t want to lose.โ€ โ€” Ashby Monk
  33. โ€œThe thing about working with self-motivated people and driven people, on their worst day, they are pushing themselves very hard and your job is to reduce the stress in that conversation.โ€ โ€” Nakul Mandan
  34. โ€œI only put the regenerative part of a wealth pool into venture. [โ€ฆ] That number โ€“ how much money you are putting into venture capital per year largely dictates which game youโ€™re playing.โ€ โ€” Jay Rongjie Wang
  35. โ€œWhen investing in funds, you are investing in a blind pool of human potential.โ€ โ€” Adam Marchick

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The Holiday Special | Nakul Mandan and Ben Choi | Superclusters | S4PSE1

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โ€œVC is more about the ground game than the air game.โ€ โ€“ Nakul Mandan

โ€œEntrepreneurs think itโ€™s going to be like the Michael Keaton version, and the good ones, they actually have to work through the Christopher Nolan version of Batman.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi

Nakul Mandan is the founder of Audacious Ventures. Audacious is a seed stage venture firm managing ~$250M. Audacious’ foundational belief is that ultimately startup success comes down to two key ingredients: Large markets and A+ teams. Accordingly, the Audacious team focuses on two jobs: 1/ Invest in force of nature founders; 2/ Help them recruit an A+ team. Then they get out of the way. Prior to founding Audacious, Nakul was a GP at Lightspeed.

Some of the companies Nakul has backed over the last decade include: Gainsight, People.ai, WorkOS, Multiverse, Marketo, 6Sense, BuildingConnected, Vartana, Tezi and Maxima, amongst others.

You can find Nakul on his socials here:
X / Twitter: https://x.com/nakul
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nakulmandan/
Personal Website: https://www.nakulmandan.com/

Ben Choi manages over $3B investments with many of the worldโ€™s premier venture capital firms as well as directly in early stage startups. He brings to Next Legacy a distinguished track record spanning over two decades founding and investing in early-stage technology businesses. Benโ€™s love for technology products formed the basis for his successful venture track record, including early stage investments in Marketo (acquired for $4.75B) and CourseHero (last valued at $3.6B). He previously ran product for Adobeโ€™s Creative Cloud offerings and founded CoffeeTable, where he raised venture capital financing, built a team, and ultimately sold the company.

Ben is an engaged member of the Society of Kauffman Fellows and has been named to the Board of Directors for the San Francisco Chinese Culture Center and Childrenโ€™s Health Council. Ben studied Computer Science at Harvard University before Mark Zuckerberg made it cool and received his MBA from Columbia Business School. Born in Peoria, raised in San Francisco, and educated in Cambridge, Ben now lives in Palo Alto with his wife, Lydia, and three very active sons.

You can find Ben on his socials here:
X / Twitter: https://x.com/benjichoi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bchoi/

And huge thanks to this episode’s sponsor, Alchemist Accelerator: https://alchemistaccelerator.com/superclusters

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also watch the episode on YouTube here.

Brought to you by Alchemist Accelerator.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[04:14] Why is Nakul fascinated by Batman?
[06:41] Does entrepreneurial motivation often come from inspiration or frustration?
[10:33] Nakul’s childhood and early upbringing
[14:37] How Nakul grew from introvert to extrovert
[16:19] Did Ben see the ambition in Nakul from the day they first met?
[18:19] How did Ben’s parents’ work in Chinatown influence Ben as a teenager?
[22:47] How did Ben and Nakul meet?
[28:50] Would Nakul have raised in 2020 if he knew how hard it would be?
[33:49] Why did Next Legacy not invest in Fund I, but in Fund II?
[37:49] How did Nakul react to the pass on Fund I?
[39:56] The kinds of people at Next Legacy’s dinners
[43:49] Why Audacious kept a low profile in 2021
[49:01] Why Audacious deployed Fund I over 4 years, instead of 3
[51:46] Balancing the paradox of one of Audacious’ cultural values
[55:14] The difference between pitching individuals and institutions
[1:00:42] What is it like to be married to an interior designer?
[1:02:40] Nakul’s favorite coffee shop, bar, and restaurant
[1:05:56] What makes a sock special to Ben?
[1:07:17] Why does Ben still like venture?
[1:08:10] Why does Nakul still like venture?
[1:11:36] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
[1:12:37] If you enjoyed this holiday episode, and want more like this, do let me know!

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โ€œThe risk is slow failure. And actually thatโ€™s the worst kind of failure even for entrepreneurs that we back. Theyโ€™re all talented people. Some ideas work; some donโ€™t. Itโ€™s when they end up spending seven, eight years and then it doesnโ€™t work. Then it takes out seven, eight years of their life.โ€ โ€“ Nakul Mandan

โ€œEntrepreneurs think itโ€™s going to be like the Michael Keaton version, and the good ones, they actually have to work through the Christopher Nolan version of Batman.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi

โ€œIf you donโ€™t wear ambition on your sleeve, how do people know youโ€™re ambitious?โ€ โ€“ Nakul Mandan

โ€œVC is more about the ground game than the air game.โ€ โ€“ Nakul Mandan

โ€œAlways remember thereโ€™s a human on the other side of every conversation.โ€ โ€“ Nakul Mandan

โ€œThe thing about working with self-motivated people and driven people, on their worst day, they are pushing themselves very hard and your job is to reduce the stress in that conversation.โ€ โ€“ Nakul Mandan

โ€œIf you have an understated personality, wear something really bright.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi


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When VC Funds Become Firms, Part 3 | Lisa Cawley, Ben Choi, Jaclyn Freeman Hester | Superclusters

โ€œWhen you bring people in as partners, being generous around compensating them from funds they did not build can help create alignment because theyโ€™re not sitting there getting rich off of something that started five years ago and exits in ten years. So theyโ€™re kind of on an island because everybody else is in a different economic position and that can be very isolating.โ€ โ€“ Jaclyn Freeman Hester

We’re doing a three-part series with some of our fan favorites over the last three seasons on the LP perspective of succession-planning and VC firm-building.

Lisa Cawley is the Managing Director of Screendoor, a highly respected LP of GPs, investing in firm-builders by firm-builders, with a unique model for partnering with allocators to access the emerging manager ecosystem.

Ben Choi manages over $3B investments with many of the worldโ€™s premier venture capital firms as well as directly in early stage startups. He brings to Next Legacy a distinguished track record spanning over two decades founding and investing in early-stage technology businesses.

Jaclyn Freeman Hester is a Partner at Foundry. Jaclyn helped launch Foundryโ€™s partner fund strategy, building the portfolio to nearly 50 managers. Bringing her unique GP + LP perspective, Jaclyn has become a go-to sounding board for emerging VCs.

You can find Lisa on her socials here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/31mml/
Screendoor: https://www.screendoor.co/contact

You can find Ben on his socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/benjichoi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bchoi/

You can find Jaclyn on her socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jfreester
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaclyn-freeman-hester-70621126/

And huge thanks to this episode’s sponsor, Alchemist Accelerator: https://alchemistaccelerator.com/superclusters

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also watch the episode on YouTube here.

You can also find Part 1 and Part 2 of this 3-part mini series.

Brought to you by Alchemist Accelerator.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[01:55] Lisa on documenting the how and why behind decisions
[05:52] Ben on leadership transitions at VC firms
[08:08] GP commits by young GPs at established firms
[11:56] What makes Kauffman Fellows special
[14:33] Should Kauffman sponsor Superclusters?
[15:34] A rising tide raises all ships
[16:41] Partnerships that choose to stay together
[18:21] Jaclyn on leadership transitions at VC firms
[25:48] The economics of succession planning
[31:28] Lisa on succession planning vs wind-down planning
[33:10] Jaclyn on pros & cons of succession planning & committee decisions
[41:50] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
[42:51] If you liked this 3-part series, do let us know with a like or a comment below!

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โ€œIf itโ€™s not documented, itโ€™s not done.โ€ โ€“ Lisa Cawley

โ€œIf somebody is so good that they can raise their own fund, thatโ€™s exactly who you want in your partnership. You want your partnership of equals that decide to get together, not just are so grateful to have a chance to be here, but theyโ€™re not that great.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi

โ€œWhen you bring people in as partners, being generous around compensating them from funds they did not build can help create alignment because theyโ€™re not sitting there getting rich off of something that started five years ago and exits in ten years. So theyโ€™re kind of on an island because everybody else is in a different economic position and that can be very isolating.โ€ โ€“ Jaclyn Freeman Hester

โ€œWhen you think about succession planning, you actually have to take a step back and think: Is that even going to be my approach? Do I need to think about succession planning or am I really talking about wind-down planning? And when I stop raising a subsequent fund.โ€ โ€“ Lisa Cawley


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When VC Funds Become Firms, Part 2 | Lisa Cawley, Ben Choi, Jaclyn Freeman Hester | Superclusters

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โ€œWe overcomplicate almost nothing as LPs. And this is a criticism of myself. And I think we oversimplify almost everything. Because by definition, weโ€™re the customer of the end product. […] LPs watch the movie, but donโ€™t read the book.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi

We’re doing a three-part series with some of our fan favorites over the last three seasons on the LP perspective of succession-planning and VC firm-building.

Lisa Cawley is the Managing Director of Screendoor, a highly respected LP of GPs, investing in firm-builders by firm-builders, with a unique model for partnering with allocators to access the emerging manager ecosystem.

Ben Choi manages over $3B investments with many of the worldโ€™s premier venture capital firms as well as directly in early stage startups. He brings to Next Legacy a distinguished track record spanning over two decades founding and investing in early-stage technology businesses.

Jaclyn Freeman Hester is a Partner at Foundry. Jaclyn helped launch Foundryโ€™s partner fund strategy, building the portfolio to nearly 50 managers. Bringing her unique GP + LP perspective, Jaclyn has become a go-to sounding board for emerging VCs.

You can find Lisa on her socials here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/31mml/
Screendoor: https://www.screendoor.co/contact

You can find Ben on his socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/benjichoi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bchoi/

You can find Jaclyn on her socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jfreester
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaclyn-freeman-hester-70621126/

And huge thanks to this episode’s sponsor, Alchemist Accelerator: https://alchemistaccelerator.com/superclusters

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also watch the episode on YouTube here.

You can also find Part 1 of this 3-part mini series here.

Brought to you by Alchemist Accelerator.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[02:00] Questions Ben asks GPs to see if they’re thinking long-term
[06:50] Questions Jaclyn asks GPs to assess long-term thinking
[09:45] What does leverage look like for a GP?
[20:13] The role of AI internally at a firm
[21:06] Advice to people looking to take junior VC roles
[25:33] Questions Lisa asks GPs to assess long-term thinking
[29:19] When does a fund turn into a firm?
[31:26] Lisa: What do LPs often oversimplify vs overcomplicate about firm-building?
[35:31] Ben’s answer to oversimplification vs overcomplication
[41:00] What do emerging and established GPs oversimplify and overcomplicate?
[45:06] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
[46:07] If you can’t wait for Part 3 of this conversation, leave us a like or comment!

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โ€œHow do you get the most out of the least amount of people? […] I donโ€™t think getting more bodies solves it. I think getting high leverage from a smaller set of resources is better.โ€ โ€“ Jaclyn Freeman Hester

โ€œIf I hire someone, I donโ€™t really want to hire right out of school. I want to hire someone with a little bit of professional experience. And I want someone whoโ€™s been yelled at. […] I donโ€™t want to have to triple check work. I want to be able to build trust. Going and getting that professional experience somewhere, even if itโ€™s at a startup or venture firm. Having someone have oversight on you and [push] you to do excellent work and [help] you understand why it mattersโ€ฆ High quality output can help you gain so much trust.โ€ โ€“ Jaclyn Freeman Hester

โ€œWhatโ€™s your right to win? Why are you going to be a founder and talent magnet? Why does the world need you as a firm? Why does the world need you as a VC? And how do you define success?โ€ โ€“ Lisa Cawley

โ€œWe overcomplicate almost nothing as LPs [about the firm building process]. And this is a criticism of myself. And I think we oversimplify almost everything. Because by definition, weโ€™re the customer of the end product.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi

โ€œLPs watch the movie, but donโ€™t read the book.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi

โ€œUltimately, Job #1 as an emerging GP is to be a great investor. We want you to be a great investor that lasts the test of time. But if youโ€™re a mediocre investor that lasts the test of time or a great investor that doesnโ€™t last the test of time, we prefer the second.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi


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When VC Funds Become Firms, Part 1 | Lisa Cawley, Ben Choi, Jaclyn Freeman Hester | Superclusters

“Thereโ€™s this amazing, amazing commercial that Michael Phelps did, […] and the tagline behind it was โ€˜Itโ€™s what you do in the dark that puts you in the light.โ€™โ€ โ€“ Lisa Cawley

We’re doing a three-part series with some of our fan favorites over the last three seasons on the LP perspective of succession-planning and VC firm-building.

Lisa Cawley is the Managing Director of Screendoor, a highly respected LP of GPs, investing in firm-builders by firm-builders, with a unique model for partnering with allocators to access the emerging manager ecosystem.

Ben Choi manages over $3B investments with many of the worldโ€™s premier venture capital firms as well as directly in early stage startups. He brings to Next Legacy a distinguished track record spanning over two decades founding and investing in early-stage technology businesses.

Jaclyn Freeman Hester is a Partner at Foundry. Jaclyn helped launch Foundryโ€™s partner fund strategy, building the portfolio to nearly 50 managers. Bringing her unique GP + LP perspective, Jaclyn has become a go-to sounding board for emerging VCs.

You can find Lisa on her socials here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/31mml/
Screendoor: https://www.screendoor.co/contact

You can find Ben on his socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/benjichoi
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bchoi/

You can find Jaclyn on her socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/jfreester
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaclyn-freeman-hester-70621126/

And huge thanks to this episode’s sponsor, Alchemist Accelerator: https://alchemistaccelerator.com/superclusters

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also watch the episode on YouTube here.

Brought to you by Alchemist Accelerator.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[02:03] The job that goes unseen by others at a VC firm
[09:01] The psychology of curiosity
[11:12] The story of Charlie Munger and Robert Cialdini
[14:17] Lisa’s perspective on the intangibles of firm-building
[17:41] Heidi Roizen and why glassblowing builds relationships
[21:09] The people you surround yourself with
[23:06] Jaclyn’s perspective on the intangibles
[26:23] Examples of how to communicate strategy drift
[27:34] Ben’s perspective on the intangibles
[33:19] The metric many LPs don’t use but should use to evaluate GPs
[36:16] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
[37:17] If you enjoyed Part 1, and want to see Part 2 and 3 sooner, leave a like or a comment!

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โ€œThe job and the role that goes most unseen by LPs and everybody outside of the firm is the role of the culture keeper.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi

โ€œYou can map out what your ideal process is, but itโ€™s actually the depth of discussion that the internal team has with one another. […] You have to define what your vision for the firm is years out, in order to make sure that youโ€™re setting those people up for success and that they have a runway and a growth path and that they feel empowered and they feel like theyโ€™re learning and theyโ€™re contributing as part of the brand. And so much of what happens there, it does tie back to culture […] Thereโ€™s this amazing, amazing commercial that Michael Phelps did, […] and the tagline behind it was โ€˜Itโ€™s what you do in the dark that puts you in the light.โ€™โ€ โ€“ Lisa Cawley

โ€œAt the end of the day, the job is to take a pile of money from your LPs and give them a bigger pile. And giving them back a really big pile is the legacy thing. […] And consistently insane returns are hard. That, to me, are the firms that go down in history.โ€ โ€“ Jaclyn Freeman Hester

โ€œIn venture, LPs are looking for GPs with loaded dice.โ€ โ€“ Ben Choi


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The Complexity of the Simple Question (DGQ 20)

Last week, Youngrok and I finally launched our episode together on Superclusters. In the midst of it all, we wrestle with the balance between the complexity and simplicity of questions to get our desired answer. Of course, we made many an allusion to the DGQ series. One of which, you’ll find below.

In many ways, I started the DGQ series as a promise to myself to uncover the questions that yield the most fascinating answers. Questions that unearth answers “hidden in plain sight”. Those that help us read between the lines.

Superclusters, in many ways, is my conduit to not only interview some of my favorite people in the LP landscape, but also the opportunity to ask the perfect question to each guest. Which you’ll see in some of the below examples.

  1. Asking Abe Finkelstein about being a Pitfall Explorer and how it relates to patience (1:04:56 in S2E1)
  2. What Ben Choi’s childhood was like (2:44 in S1E6) and how proposing to his wife affects how he thinks about pitching (1:05:47 in S1E6)
  3. How selling baseball cards as a kid helped Samir Kaji get better at sales (45:05 in S1E8)

In doing so, I sometimes lose myself in the nuance. And in those times, which happen more often than I’d like to admit, the questions that yield the best answers are the simplest ones. No added flare. No research-flexing moments. Where I don’t lead the witness. And I just ask the question. In its simplest form.

For the purpose of this essay, to make this more concrete, let’s focus on a question LPs often ask GPs.

Tell me about this investment you made.

In my mind, ridiculously simple question. Younger me would call that a lazy question. In all fairness, it would be if one was not intentionally aware about the kind of answer they were looking to hear OR not hear.

The laziness comes from regressing to the template, the model, the ‘what.’ But not the ‘why’ the question is being asked, and ‘how’ it should be interpreted. For those who struggle to understand the first principles of actions and questions, I’d highly recommend reading Simon Sinek’s Start with Why, but I digress.

Circling back, every GP talks about their portfolio founders differently. If two independent thinkers have both invested Company A, they might have different answers. Won’t always be true, but if you look at two portfolios that are relatively correlated in their underlying assets AND they arrive at those answers in the same way, one does wonder if it’s worth diversifying to other managers with different theses and/or approaches.

But that’s exactly what makes this simple question (but if you want to debate semantics, statement) special. When all else is equal, VCs are left to their own devices unbounded from artificial parameters.

Then take that answer and compare and contrast it to how other GPs you know well or have invested in already. How do they answer the same question for the exact same investment? How much are those answers correlated?

It matters less that the facts are the same. Albeit, useful to know how each investor does their own homework pre- and post-investment. But more so, it’s a question on thoughtfulness. How well does each investor really know their investments? How does it compare to the answer of a GP I admire for their thoughtfulness and intentionality?

(Part of the big reason I don’t like investing in syndicates because most outsource their decision-making to larger logos in VCs. On top of that, most syndicate memos are rather paltry when it comes to information.)

The question itself is also a test of observation and self-awareness. How well do you really know the founder? Were you intentional with how you built that relationship with the founder? How does it compare to the founder’s own self-reflection? It’s also the same reason I love Doug Leone’s question, which highlights how aware one is of the people around them. What three adjectives would you use to describe your sibling?

Warren Buffett once described Charlie Munger as “the best thirty-second mind in the world. He goes from A to Z in one go. He sees the essence of everything even before you finish the sentence.” Moreover in his 2023 Berkshire annual letter, he wrote one of the most thoughtful homages ever written.

An excerpt from Berkshire’s 2023 annual letter

As early-stage investors, as belief checks, as people who bet on the nonobvious before it becomes obvious, we invest in extraordinary companies. I really like the way Chris Paik describes what we do. “Invest in companies that can’t be described in a single sentence.”

And just like there are certain companies that can’t be described in a single sentence โ€” not the Uber for X, or the Google for Y โ€” their founders who are even more complex than a business idea cannot be described by a single sentence either. Many GPs I come across often reduce a founder’s brilliance to the logos on their resume or the diplomas hanging on their walls. But if we bet right, the founders are a lot more than just that.

Of course, the same applies to LPs who describe the GPs they invest in.

In hopes this would be helpful to you, personally some areas I find fascinating in founders and emerging GPs and, hell just in, people in general include:

  • Their selfish motivations (the less glamorous ones) โ€” Why do this when they can be literally doing anything else? Many of which can help them get rich faster.
  • What part of their past are they running towards and what are they running away from?
  • All the product pivots (thesis pivots) to date and why. I love inflection points.
  • If they were to do a TED talk on a subject that’s not what they’re currently building, what would it be?
  • Who do they admire? Who are their mentor figures?
  • What kind of content do they consume? How do they think about their information diet?
  • What promises have they made to themselves? No matter how small or big. Which have they kept? Which have they not?
  • How do they think about mentoring/training/upskilling the next generation of talent at their company/firm?

The DGQ series is a series dedicated to my process of question discovery and execution. When curiosity is the why, DGQ is the how. Itโ€™s an inside scoop of what goes on in my nogginโ€™. My hope is that it offers some illumination to you, my readers, so you can tackle the world and build relationships with my best tools at your disposal. It also happens to stand for damn good questions, or dumb and garbled questions. Iโ€™ll let you decide which it falls under.


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Do Founders Like You For Your Money?

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Would the founders in your portfolio let you in on the cap table if you weren’t an investor? If you had no money? If they could only borrow your brain for two hours every three months, and that’s it?

The uncomfortable truth is that most founders won’t.

But to find the founder who will take that deal is the person you want to be focusing on. They’re the archetype of founder you want to win โ€” that you put your whole heart into perfecting your craft for that founder.

Play to your strengths, not your weaknesses. Where do you have home field advantage?

All cards on the table, it won’t matter if you plan to stay a boutique VC firm or angel whose check size for an investment never goes past $250K. Even better if you don’t have any pro rata. But if you plan to institutionalize your firm โ€” and I don’t mean to say this is the only way to institutionalize โ€” you need to hire. To hire, you need enough management fees to support a team of that size. And to get enough management fees, most of the time, that requires you to scale your fund size.

Whereas in Fund I and maybe II, you played the participating investor. Squeezing in great deals. And everyone’s your friend. Founders love you. Your co-investors love you. With larger funds, you may end up scaling your check size. If you don’t, you start diversifying your portfolio more and more. And most large LPs prefer concentrated portfolios. Why?

They often do the diversification work in their own model. They pick their own verticals and stages they want exposure to. The product they want to buy is not to be their portfolio for them, but that it is just one asset in a larger portfolio. A lot of LPs also fear diversified portfolios in managers because at some point, managers will be investing in the same underlying asset. No LP wants to invest in 10 funds and have four of them all be investors in Stripe. If that’s the case, they might as well invest directly in Stripe via co-investment.

But at the end of the day, if your checks are bigger (along with ownership targets), it’s hard to always be 100% friendly with other investors since they have their own mandates. And at some point, the founder is forced to pick: you or any of those other interested investors.

And for you to win that deal, you must have something enduring that founders want outside of capital.

Of course, there are different ways to prove that you can win deals to your prospective LPs. The list below is by no means all-encompassing, but may help in giving you an idea of how people who have walked the path before you have done so.

  • Being chosen as the independent board member in other companies you didn’t invest in (Kudos to Ben Choi for sharing this one in our episode)
  • Having a platform to generate customers/leads for your portfolio companies. Like Packy McCormick‘s Not Boring or Harry Stebbings20VC.
  • Winning pro rata in past subsequent rounds
  • Even better if super pro rata (rarely happens though, especially after Series A)
  • (Co-)Leading rounds (met an emerging GP last year who syndicated the whole $2M round)
  • Repeat founders (with previous exits >$100M) let you invest in oversubscribed rounds with a check larger than $250K
  • Founders letting you invest on previous round’s terms (or highly preferential treatment)
  • Incubating the company
  • Evidence or repeatable ability for you to pre-empt rounds before founders go out to fundraise
  • Some combination of the above

Unintentionally, this blogpost is the unofficial part two of my first one on the topic of sourcing, picking, and winning. Part one was on sourcing. This one is on winning. No guarantees on picking, but who knows? I may end up writing something.

For the uninitiated, this was said by both Ben Choi and Samir Kaji on the Superclusters podcast. That to be a great investor, you need to be great in at least two of three things: sourcing, picking, and/or winning. If you only have great deal flow, but don’t know how to pick the right companies that come your way or have the best founders pick you, then you don’t have an advantage. If you’re really good at winning deals, but no one comes to you or you pick the wrong deals to win, then you also don’t have anything. You need at least two. Of course, ideally three.

But as you institutionalize, the third may come in the form of another team member or as you build out the platform.

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The Job Description of a Great Founder

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As people were coming back from the holidays, I had the chance to catch up with two friends earlier this week on two different occasions. One who built a company hundreds strong. The other is someone who’s seen the rise and fall of civilization again and again.

The former told me, “The greatest litmus test of a leader is their ability to train another leader.”

The latter told me something they had learned from a successful founder. “I lift as I climb.”

Both equally as profound. But to take it one at a time…

I’ve mentioned on this blog before that A-players hire A-players. And that B-players hire C-players. C’s hire D-players. And so on. A-players can tolerate working with B’s, but not C’s and D’s. So at the end of the day, the A’s leave, and all you’re left with are B’s and below.

While that statement makes sense in broad strokes, the truth is from an investor’s perspective โ€” hell, just an outsider’s perspective โ€” no one knows if you’re an A-player or not at first glance. Or at least it’s really hard to tell. Maybe there are people who are smarter than me out there who can tell at a glance. At the end of the day, seeing others execute is a great way to tell, but that takes more than one meeting usually.

And sometimes the easiest way to see is in doing reference checks. Seeing who else is on the team that they hired and trained. Seeing who they hired in previous roles. And if those other folks they’ve trained have gone to do amazing things, that’s usually a good sign that the person in question knows what an A-player looks like. And if it’s consistent enough, knows how to mint stellar leaders.

One of the greatest red flags I often see are founders hiring experienced (often expensive and brand-name) executives, sales reps, and product managers super-early in the startup lifecycle. Especially before product market fit. And often the biggest expectation for these early hires is to do:

  1. What they themselves couldn’t do
  2. And/or what they themselves don’t want to do

Both happen to be cardinal sins at the early stage. Why does the above matter?

Because if you’ve never done the job yourself, specifically building/managing the product and getting to your first customers:

  1. You don’t know how to set realistic targets and benchmarks for that role
  2. Given how crucial early customer feedback is to the product and the company, you’ll miss out on key customer insights if you’re not in the trenches yourself.

The goal of the afore-mentioned early hires is to refine your playbook, not build the playbook from scratch. And if that doesn’t appeal to you as the founder, then you might not be ready to be one.

And this is the exact reason I love the line “I lift as I climb.” For every time you figure something out, an inflection point for the company, a key customer discovery/insight, a sales script that closes twice as well as the last one, your rising tide raises all boats. But you cannot lift if you don’t climb first.

For those of you tuning in from the video and audio universes, you know I’ve been thinking a lot about succession planning as of late. Largely motivated by my conversations with Ben from Next Legacy.

And Courtney from Recast.

So naturally, when I was catching up with both of my friends, their words found refuge in the questions I was seeking answers to.

And when all’s said and done, what I look for in a founder who’ll create a multi-generational company is the same in what I look for in an emerging manager who’s planning to build a multi-fund firm. And in a way, what a young professional might look at when betting their career on a startup.

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