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Diligence Questions: As Simple As They Are Complex | Youngrok Kim | Superclusters | S2E2

Youngrok Kim is a Partner at GREE LP Fund, a Fund of Funds operating in the US and Japan. Previously, he held the position of SVP at Recruit Strategic Partner, the strategic investment arm of Recruit Holdings, a major internet company in Japan. Youngrok began his career as an engineer at Goldman Sachs before transitioning to a VC career at ARCH Venture Partners in Chicago. He earned an MBA from the University of Chicago and received his degrees in Information Technology from Aoyama Gakuin University in Tokyo.

You can find Youngrok on his socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/youngrock46
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/youngrok-kim/

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OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[04:10] How did Youngrok find himself in Japan?
[09:29] Picking up the Japanese language
[20:29] How did Youngrok go from Japanese guitarist to being an LP?
[26:50] From pitching LPs on a fund-of-funds to getting a job offer from a prospective LP
[33:21] GREE LP Fund’s hiring process
[37:40] The three sources of data that helped Youngrok’s fund-of-funds thesis come together
[44:17] Superpowers and where to reference check them
[48:57] Simple versus nuanced questions for fund managers or reference checks
[56:12] One thing that many GPs think is special but actually isn’t for an LP
[58:52] What makes a good LPAC member?
[1:00:26] What are typical questions GPs have for their LPACs?
[1:05:28] Why GP friendships with other emerging managers might be becoming less important?
[1:11:55] A fun fact about Youngrok’s name
[1:12:55] Playing a number game with Youngrok
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The Proliferation of LP Podcasts

I am under no illusion that there is a hell of a lot of interest in the LP landscape today. Not only from GPs who are realizing the difficulties of the fundraising climate, but also from aspiring and emerging LPs who are allocating to venture for the first time. The latter of which also have a growing set of interests in backing emerging GPs. And in the center console in this Venn diagram of interests lies the education of how to think like an LP.

I still remember back in 2022 and prior, we had Beezer’s #OpenLP initiative, Ted Seides’ Capital Allocators podcast, Notation Capital’s Origins, and Chris Douvos’ SuperLP.com. Last of which, by the way, can we start a petition to have Chris Douvos write more again? But I digress. All four of which trendsetters in their own right. But the world had yet to catch storm. Or maybe, the people around me and I had yet to feel the acceleration of interest.

Today, in 2024, we have:

There is no shortage of content. LPs are also starting to make their rounds. You’ll often see the same LP on multiple podcasts. And that’s not a bad thing. In fact, that’s very much of a good thing that we’re starting to see a lot more visibility here and that LPs are willing to share.

But we’re at the beginning of a crossroads.

A few years back, the world was starved of LP content. And content creators and aggregators like Beezer, Ted, Nick, and Chris, were oases in the desert for those searching. Today, we have a buffet of options. Many of which share listenership and viewership. In fact, a burgeoning cohort of LPs are also doing their rounds. And that’s a good thing. It’s more surface area for people to learn.

But at some point, the wealth of information leads to the poverty of attention. The question goes from “Where do I tune into LP content?” to “If I were to listen to the same LP, which platform would I choose to tune into?“

After all, we only have 24 hours in a day. A third for sleep. A third for work. And the last competes against every possible option that gives us joy — friends, hangouts, Netflix, YouTube, hobbies, exercise, passion projects and more.

In the same way, Robert Downey Jr. or Emma Stone or Timothée Chamalet (yes, I just watched Dune 2 and I loved it) is going to do multiple interviews. With 20, 30, even 50 different hosts. But as a fan (excluding die-hard ones), you’re likely not going to watch all of them. But you’ll select a small handful — two or three — to watch. And that choice will largely be influenced by which interviewer and their respective style you like.

While my goal is to always surface new content instead of remixes of old, there will always be the inevitability of cross-pollination of lessons between content creators. And so, if nothing else, my goal is to keep my identity — and as such, my style — as I continue recording LP content. To me, that’s the human behind the money behind the VC money. And each person — their life story, the way they think, why they think the way they think — is absolutely fascinating.

In closing

There’s this great Amos Tversky line I recently stumbled upon. “You waste years by not being able to waste hours.” And in many ways, this blog, Superclusters, writing at large, and my smaller experiments are the proving grounds I need to find my interest-expertise fit. Some prove to be fleeting passions. Others, like building for emerging LPs, prove to be much more.

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How One of VC’s Biggest LPs Builds Relationships | Abe Finkelstein | Superclusters | S2E1

Abe Finkelstein, Managing Partner at Vintage, has been leading fund, secondary, and growth stage investments focused on fintech, gaming, and SMB software, among others, leading growth stage and secondary investments for Vintage in companies like Monday.com, Minute Media, Payoneer, MoonActive and Honeybook.

Prior to joining Vintage in 2003, Abe was an equity analyst with Goldman Sachs, covering Israel-based technology companies in a wide variety of sectors, including software, telecom equipment, networking, semiconductors, and satellite communications. While at Goldman Sachs, Abe, and the Israel team were highly ranked by both Thomson Extel and Institutional Investor.

Prior to Goldman Sachs, Abe was Vice-President at U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray, where he helped launch and led the firm’s Israel technology shares institutional sales effort. Before joining Piper, he was an Associate at Brown Brothers Harriman, covering the enterprise software and internet sectors. Abe began his career at Josephthal, Lyon, and Ross, joining one of the first research teams focused exclusively on Israel-based companies.

Abe graduated Magna Cum Laude from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania with a BS in Economics and a concentration in Finance.

Vintage Investment Partners is a global venture platform managing ~$4 billion across venture Fund of Funds, Secondary Funds, and Growth-Stage Funds focused on venture in the U.S., Europe, Israel, and Canada. Vintage is invested in many of the world’;s leading venture funds and growth-stage tech startups striving to make a lasting impact on the world and has exposure directly and indirectly to over 6,000 technology companies.

You can find Abe on his socials here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abe-finkelstein/

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OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[03:22] How did Abe get his first job?
[15:30] The currency of trust
[17:12] How does Vintage view mistakes and weaknesses?
[20:03] How Vintage organizes team offsites
[28:42] The lessons Abe gained on people and long-term potential
[33:47] Type 1 and Type 2 errors when evaluating GPs
[36:00] How does Vintage work with their GPs and the GPs’ portfolio companies?
[45:06] What Abe likes to see in a cold email
[49:33] Funds that Abe says no to
[51:18] When does fund size as a function of stage not make sense for Vintage?
[54:51] Carry splits within a fund
[1:02:08] What kinds of funds does Vintage not re-up in?
[1:05:23] How did Abe become a Pitfall Explorer?
[1:07:38] What Abe has learned over the years about patience?
[1:11:05] One of Abe’s biggest blows in his career
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What You Can and Cannot Control as a GP

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Not too long ago, I was catching up with the amazing Owen Willis, someone I’ve been lucky to see in action during our time at On Deck together, who now runs Opal Ventures. And there was one thing he mentioned that I cannot stop thinking about.

As a fund manager, there are things you can control. And things you cannot.

So often, many a fund manager focus on things they cannot. The market. In many ways, marks. And not enough on things, they can. Chief of which, communication. What. How. When.

Are your LPs hearing about news on you or your portfolio — good and bad — from you or from another source?

What are you seeing in the market? What is your insight into it? Why? After all, LPs pay you for your opinion.

And how frequently do you maintain an open line of communication with your LPs? Do you share everything? Or only the good? Do you miss regular updates because of how busy you get?

To nosedive a level deeper, as a GP, what are your most powerful tools of communication with LPs? Not to lead the witness, but you’ve probably figured it out. LP updates. Many GPs I meet tend to only have one type. At best one and a half.

There’s the update GPs send your existing LPs. But they also understand the value of prospective LPs, so they end up sending the exact same to prospects. Maybe with some numbers redacted (if it includes sensitive information on the portfolio). Most of the time, that’s it. But really, it’s helpful to think about existing and prospects as two different audiences. The former will naturally be disposed to support. The latter is still deciding if they want to support. They have yet to be converted.

As such, instead of one, there should be two types of LP updates. To make it simpler, one is for “customer success.” The other is for “sales and BD.”

The “customer success” update

There’s a lot of content on this front already, so I’ll spare you the extra verbiage here. But if you want a place to start, I’d recommend the below first:

But to provide a brief summary (plus, a snazzle dazzle of the Cup of Zhou perspective), typical LP updates I see have:

  1. The Abstract / TL;DR / What to know if you only had 2 minutes
  2. Performance (TVPI, DPI, IRR, new investments, % deployed, % left, % capital called, and (if so) did you preemptively mark down portcos and why)
  3. Net New Investments — 2-3 lines about each company + what’s promising + why’d you invest + website link + key highlights (you’ll need sign off from your founders for this last one)
  4. Asks — for your portfolio and for your fund
  5. Team updates — if your team changed (i.e. new hires)
  6. General portfolio updates — the good, the bad, the ugly
  7. Capital call schedules / Legal stuff if any
  8. Insights into the market (if any)

In general, you want to tell your LPs if there are any updates before they find out about them themselves. Better to hear from you than from other channels.

Lastly, I like personal flare and highlights as well. But hell, that’s up to each GP’s preference.

The “sales” update

So, there will be some overlap of information with the earlier type of update. With some redactions, particularly the specific numbers on the portfolio side. That said, rather than what goes in it, what might be more helpful is how to think about it.

Sales, like in any other industry, requires you to know your customer.

Some general framing questions:

  1. Are they the solution to your problem or are you the solution to their problem?
    • For instance, are they actively looking to deploy? Why? What motivates them? If not, you might be pushing a rock uphill. If yes, are you actually what they’re looking for, or can you better triage them to a friend who is investing in what they’re looking for. Relationships are long.
  2. Do they see VC as an access class or an asset class?
    • Generally, not always, individuals and family offices see VC as an access class. So they care more about co-investment opportunities, deal flow for them to directly invest, and/or opportunities to learn from you. In other words, these LPs want to see what you’re investing in, who else is validating your investments, and what are you seeing and learning. If you’re a Fund I, you’re probably spending more time with these LPs.
    • Institutions, like foundations, endowments, pensions, and fund of funds, see VC as an asset class. As such, returns and performance matter a lot more. So the best ways to convince them is to let the numbers do the talking AND how close you stick with your initial strategy and if you deviate, why. Promise fulfillment, or in LP lingo, consistency of strategy, matters just as much as returns, if not more, once return profiles measure up to 3-5X across several years. Or when and how quickly DPI hits 1X. If you’re a Fund II+, you’re probably spending more time prospecting these.
  3. Are you looking to institutionalize your fund? To go from a fund to a firm?
    • If so, how do you set yourself up to grow in team? How are you knocking out key risks one by one?
    • And in a loose way, not for an LP update, what happens once you get hit by a bus?
  4. What kind of cadence makes sense for you and is enough to keep you top of mind for these LPs?
    • Including events you’re hosting or when you’re visiting certain geographies are always a nice added bonus.

And lastly, getting feedback is always important. As you might suspect. So that your communication between both your existing and prospective LPs only improves over time.

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Winning Deals Based on Check Size (VCs versus LPs)

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I know I just wrote a blogpost on how LPs assess if GPs can win deals. But after a few recent conversations with LPs in fund of funds, as well as emerging LPs, I thought it would be interesting to draw the parallel of not only proxies of how GPs win deals, but also proxies of how LPs win deals. And as such, coming back with a part two. Maybe a part one and a half. You get the point.

The greatest indicator for the ability to win deals as a VC is to see what the largest check (and greatest ownership target) a world-class founder will take from you. (That said, if you are only capable of winning deals based on price, you might want to consider another career. You should have other reasons a brilliant founder will pick you.) And even better if they give you a board seat.

The greatest indicator for the ability to win deals as an LP is to see what the smallest check a world-class GP will take from you. And even better if they give you a seat on the LPAC.

In the world where capital is more or less a commodity, the more capital one can provide (with some loose constraints on maximums), the better. But if someone who has no to little trouble raising is willing to open doors in a potentially over-subscribed fund for you, that’s something special.

An LP I was chatting with recently loves asking the question, “How big of a check size would you like me to write?” And to him, the answer “As much as you can.” Or “I’ll take any number.” is a bad answer. According to him, the best GPs know exactly how much they’re expecting from LPs, and sometimes as a function of how helpful they can be, especially in a Fund I or II. But always as a function of portfolio construction. Your fund size is after all your strategy, as the Mike Maples adage goes. While I don’t know if I completely agree with this approach, I did find this approach intriguing, and at least worth a double take.

I’m forgetting the attribution here. The curse of forgetting to write things down when I hear them. But I was listening to a podcast, or maybe it was a conversation, where they used the analogy that being a VC is like watching your child on the playground. You let your child do whatever they want to. Go down the slides. Climb the monkey bars. Sit on the swings. And so on. You let them chart their own narratives. But your job as the parent is once you see your kid doing something dangerous, that’s when you step in. When they’re about to jump off a 2-story slide. Or swing upside-down. But otherwise your kid knows best on how to have fun. In the founders’ case, they know how to build an amazing product for an audience who’s dying for it.

Excluding the fact that you’re a good friend or family that go way back, you likely have something of great strategic value to that GP — be it:

  • Network to other LPs
  • Operational expertise and value to portfolio companies (to a point where you being an LP will help the GP win deals with founders)
  • Operational expertise to the GP and the investment team
  • Investment expertise to help check the GP’s blindside
  • Access to downstream capital
  • Deal flow, or
  • Simply, mentorship

At the same time, ONSET Ventures once found that “if you had a full-time mentor who was not part of the company’s management team, and who had actually run both a start-up and a larger business, the success rate increased from less than 25% to over 80%.” (You can find the case study here. As an FYI, the afore-mentioned link leads to a download of the HBS case study.)

That’s the role of the board. The LPAC. Of the advisory board. For a founder or emerging GP, the full-time availability of said board members or LPAC members is vital.

A proxy of a mentor’s availability is pre-existing relationships between founder/emerging funder and said investor or advisor. Another is simply the responsiveness of the investor or advisor. Do they take less than 12 hours to reply? Or 3-5 business days? It’s for that latter reason Sequoia’s Pat Grady once lost out on an investment deal to his life partner, Sarah Guo. Being responsive goes a long way.

In sum, for LPs in fund of fund managers, small things go a long way.

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“Who Else is Investing?” Is a Good Question

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Ok, before y’all rise up in arms, hear me out. And if by the end of this blogpost, you still want to bring the pitchforks and torches, so be it.

Generally, I get it. Who else is investing isn’t usually a great question. Because for most investors who ask this question, it means they’re outsourcing their conviction.

Tweet I stumbled on reading Chris Neumann’s post yesterday

In fact, I wrote a quick LinkedIn (and tweet) post about it the day before yesterday. Which admittedly got a lot more attention than I expected. And if you have the time, it’s worth seeing the discussion on that post that ensued.

Source: Me on LinkedIn
Yes, I’m a dark mode user. 🙂

So, potentially hot take, I believe investors should ask the question. Who else is investing? It’s part of the diligence process. That said, when they ask that question is key. There’s a vast ocean between the shores of asking that question before you reach conviction and after.

If you pop the question before you reach conviction, well, we’ve seen the follies of that. Most evidenced by the manic rush of 2020 and 2021 into “hot deals” largely led by names that grew to popularity around the dinner table.

If you pop it after, it’s diligence. Where the availability of names shouldn’t convince you to bat or lack thereof to otherwise. But that you now have additional opportunities to reference check and cross-diligence the same opportunity. And it extends to the LP side as well. Jamie Rhode who’s now at Screendoor, said on a Superclusters episode that one of her greatest lessons as an LP was committing to a fund where there was a bunch of soft commits but far less in hard commits, and ended up overexposing Verdis (where she was at) to a single asset and taking a much higher ownership as an LP into a single fund.

Truth is, LPs pay GPs for their opinion. Not anyone else’s. And while given long feedback loops, no one really knows what’s right and what’s wrong except over a decade later and only in hindsight, you have to really believe it, and be able to back it up.

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When Trying Something New

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The great Jim Collins has this line I really like where he says fire bullets then cannonballs. “The right big things are the things you’ve empirically validated. So, you fire bullets, you validate, then you go big — bullets, then cannonballs — it’s both.”

Too often — something I see in me as much as I see in founders — when trying something new, we bottle it up. We charge the entropy of our creativity. Waiting to release it all at one big moment. A cannonball. No one else should or needs to know know. Sometimes it’s a fear of someone else stealing your idea. Sometimes, well, speaking more for myself, I just like surprises. I love the mystique. And on the slim chance you’re right, albeit rare, then awesome. But 999 out of 1000 times, you’re likely not. At least not in the first try.

I’m forgetting and also can’t seem to find the attribution. But I read somewhere that the only difference between vision and a hallucination is that others can see it. You see… the greatest YouTubers test their ideas with test audiences several times. In fact, they even test their video titles with select audiences a number of times before launching. (Instagram even added the ability to do it at scale for creators too.) Reporters do too with their headlines. Legendary investor Mike Maples at Floodgate once said, “90% of our exit profits have come from pivots.” ONSET Ventures also found in its research1 that founded the institution back in 1984 (prescient, I know) that there is a 90% correlation between success and the company changing its original business model.

All to say, one’s first idea may not always be the best and final idea. So, test things. With small audiences. With trusted confidants.

And while I may not do this all the time, with my bigger blogposts (like this, this, and this), I always run it by co-conspirators, subject-matter experts, lawyers, writers, bloggers, and people who love reading fine print. And sometimes the final product may not look like the one I initially intended, which will be true for an upcoming bigger blogpost. For events, like one I recently worked with the team at Alchemist on — redefining what in-person Demo Days look like at accelerators, we tested the idea with 20 other investors and iterated on their feedback before launching on January 30th this year. And still is not even close to its final evolution.

As Reid Hoffman once said, “If you are not embarrassed by the first version of your product, you’ve launched too late.”

Now that it’s out there…

One of the greatest Joker lines in The Dark Knight is: “Trust no one, salt and sugar look the same.”

It’s true. Whether people like something or not, they’ll always tell you things were good. It’s the equivalent of when one goes to a restaurant, orders something that’s a bit saltier than one’s liking, but when the server comes by to ask, “How is everything?”, most people respond with “Everything’s fine.” Or “good.”

You’re not going to get the real answer out of people oftentimes. Unless people really do love or hate something you did passionately. So… you must hunt for them. You must lure out the answers. You need to force people to take sides. There can be and shouldn’t be middle ground. If there are, that means they don’t like it.

Maybe it’s in the form of the NPS question. On a scale of 1-10, how likely would you recommend this product to a friend? And you cannot pick 7.

In the event space, I’ve come to like a new question. If I invited you to this event the week of, would you cancel plans to make this event? And to add more nuance, what kinds of events would you cancel to be here? What kinds of events would you not cancel?

Sometimes it helps to seed examples on a spectrum (although I try not to lead the witness here). Would you cancel a honeymoon? Or would you cancel going to another investor/founder happy hour? What about an AGM (annual general meeting, annual conference in VC talk)? What about a vacation?

As Joker said, salt and sugar look the same. So you have to taste it. Looking from afar won’t help. And if you want to iterate and improve, you need what people really think. I’d rather have people hate or dislike something I’ve created than have a lukewarm or worse, a “good” reaction.

In a way, if you’re not getting enough of an auto-immune response from the crowd, and the antibodies don’t start kicking in (aka the naysayers), you’re not really doing something new.

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1 FYI, the research link redirects to its HBS case study, not the original research. Couldn’t find the latter unfortunately. But the point stands.

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Do Founders Like You For Your Money?

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Would the founders in your portfolio let you in on the cap table if you weren’t an investor? If you had no money? If they could only borrow your brain for two hours every three months, and that’s it?

The uncomfortable truth is that most founders won’t.

But to find the founder who will take that deal is the person you want to be focusing on. They’re the archetype of founder you want to win — that you put your whole heart into perfecting your craft for that founder.

Play to your strengths, not your weaknesses. Where do you have home field advantage?

Why does this matter?

All cards on the table, it won’t matter if you plan to stay a boutique VC firm or angel whose check size for an investment never goes past $250K. Even better if you don’t have any pro rata. But if you plan to institutionalize your firm — and I don’t mean to say this is the only way to institutionalize — you need to hire. To hire, you need enough management fees to support a team of that size. And to get enough management fees, most of the time, that requires you to scale your fund size.

Whereas in Fund I and maybe II, you played the participating investor. Squeezing in great deals. And everyone’s your friend. Founders love you. Your co-investors love you. With larger funds, you may end up scaling your check size. If you don’t, you start diversifying your portfolio more and more. And most large LPs prefer concentrated portfolios. Why?

They often do the diversification work in their own model. They pick their own verticals and stages they want exposure to. The product they want to buy is not to be their portfolio for them, but that it is just one asset in a larger portfolio. A lot of LPs also fear diversified portfolios in managers because at some point, managers will be investing in the same underlying asset. No LP wants to invest in 10 funds and have four of them all be investors in Stripe. If that’s the case, they might as well invest directly in Stripe via co-investment.

But at the end of the day, if your checks are bigger (along with ownership targets), it’s hard to always be 100% friendly with other investors since they have their own mandates. And at some point, the founder is forced to pick: you or any of those other interested investors.

And for you to win that deal, you must have something enduring that founders want outside of capital.

Examples

Of course, there are different ways to prove that you can win deals to your prospective LPs. The list below is by no means all-encompassing, but may help in giving you an idea of how people who have walked the path before you have done so.

  • Being chosen as the independent board member in other companies you didn’t invest in (Kudos to Ben Choi for sharing this one in our episode)
  • Having a platform to generate customers/leads for your portfolio companies. Like Packy McCormick‘s Not Boring or Harry Stebbings‘ 20VC.
  • Winning pro rata in past subsequent rounds
  • Even better if super pro rata (rarely happens though, especially after Series A)
  • (Co-)Leading rounds (met an emerging GP last year who syndicated the whole $2M round)
  • Repeat founders (with previous exits >$100M) let you invest in oversubscribed rounds with a check larger than $250K
  • Founders letting you invest on previous round’s terms (or highly preferential treatment)
  • Incubating the company
  • Evidence or repeatable ability for you to pre-empt rounds before founders go out to fundraise
  • Some combination of the above

In closing

Unintentionally, this blogpost is the unofficial part two of my first one on the topic of sourcing, picking, and winning. Part one was on sourcing. This one is on winning. No guarantees on picking, but who knows? I may end up writing something.

For the uninitiated, this was said by both Ben Choi and Samir Kaji on the Superclusters podcast. That to be a great investor, you need to be great in at least two of three things: sourcing, picking, and/or winning. If you only have great deal flow, but don’t know how to pick the right companies that come your way or have the best founders pick you, then you don’t have an advantage. If you’re really good at winning deals, but no one comes to you or you pick the wrong deals to win, then you also don’t have anything. You need at least two. Of course, ideally three.

But as you institutionalize, the third may come in the form of another team member or as you build out the platform.

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A Case Study on Why LPs Pass on Great Funds | Jeff Rinvelt & Martin Tobias | Superclusters | S1 Post Season E1

Jeff is a partner at Renaissance Venture Capital an innovative venture capital fund of funds. Jeff’s diverse background in venture capital and technology and his experience working in various start-up ventures uniquely position him to advise startups. In addition, Jeff is quite active in the Michigan start-up community, volunteering his time to mentor young entrepreneurs, judge pitch competitions, and guest lecture student classes and organizations. Through Jeff’s work on the Fund, his volunteer efforts, and his role as the chair of the Michigan Venture Capital Association’s board of directors, his passion for fostering a productive environment for venture capital investment in the State of Michigan is evident.

You can find Jeff on his socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rinvelt
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rinvelt/

Martin Tobias is the Managing Partner and Founder of Incisive Ventures, an early-stage venture capital firm focused on investing in the first institutional round of technology companies that reduce friction at scale.

Martin was previously at Accenture and Microsoft and is a former Venture Partner at Ignition Partners. Martin is a 3X venture-funded CEO rising over $500M as CEO with two IPOs who has also invested in hundreds of companies and is a limited partner in over a dozen VC funds. Martin was an early investor in Google, Docusign, OpenSea, and over a dozen Unicorns.

Martin is the father of 3 daughters, a cyclist, surfer, poker player, and life hacker. Martin tinkers with motorcycles on the weekends. He writes about Venture Capital on Incisive Ventures blog and Twitter.

You can find Martin on his socials here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MartinGTobias
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martintobias/

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OUTLINE:

[00:00] Introducing Jeff Rinvelt and Martin Tobias
[04:14] What was Jeff’s pitch to their LPs for Renaissance Capital?
[06:30] Why did Jeff pivot from being a founder to an LP?
[08:10] Renaissance Capital’s portfolio construction model
[13:00] Jeff’s involvement in non-profits
[15:56] How did Martin become an angel investor?
[18:03] The big lesson from being an LP in SV Angel’s Fund I and II
[20:10] Why is Martin starting a fund now?
[26:07] A lesson on variable check sizes
[28:53] What is Martin’s value add to founders?
[33:29] What stood out about Martin’s deck and email when it arrived in Jeff’s inbox?
[35:43] The 2 biggest worries Martin had in sharing his deck with Jeff
[36:47] What does Jeff think about generalists?
[40:49] What held Jeff back from making an investment in Incisive Ventures?
[42:37] What kinds of conversations does Martin usually have with LPs?
[47:05] One of the greatest professional lessons Jeff picked up as a manager
[49:07] Martin’s greatest lesson from his days as a CEO
[51:57] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
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Thesis is a Lagging Indicator of Outperformance

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In the process of catching up with a number of fund managers this week, I was reminded of two things:

  1. That I still have an outstanding blogpost on intuition and discipline sitting on my desk, having gone through more revisions than I would like
  2. That Fund I’s mostly start by drawing trendlines in your previous portfolio’s winners.

Now it’s not my job to call anyone out, but many of those I caught up with this week, told me in confidence (no longer in confidence now that I’m writing about it) that their best investments were simply due to being in the right place at the right time. That they were lucky. Others invested often off-thesis to accommodate for a brilliant founder that looked and sounded like nothing they had seen before. Then retroactively, went back to LPs in a subsequent fundraise armed with the knowledge to account for their previous outlier.

Chris Paik once wrote, ““Invest in companies that can’t be described in a single sentence.”

Josh Wolfe said last year, “We believe before others understand.” And sometimes the investor themselves may not fully grasp what makes someone special other than that person is special.

Other times the company in which you initially bet on may not look like the company that earns you the most capital. As Mike Maples Jr. once said, “90% of our exit profits have come from pivots.

Of course, many LPs don’t want to hear that. They want to hear that you know exactly what you’re doing. That you can predict the future. But you can’t. In many ways, VCs invest in what stays the same. Not what changes. Human nature. Great hires. Network effects. Talent pools. Intellectual curiosity. Rigor. It’s a long list.

An amazing VC once told me. The job of a VC is to:

  1. Have a wide enough aperture so enough light can come in
  2. But have a fast enough trigger finger to catch the light, the reflections, the shadows just at the right time so that you get a good enough shot.

The rest is all done in the editing room, where you massage the photo with your expertise and experience to help it stand out.

I love that line. But simply put, the job of a VC is to:

  1. Cast a wide enough net so that you can see as many great companies as you can,
  2. Have the ability and awareness to know a great company when you see it.

After all, as an investor, you don’t have to invest in every great company, but every company you invest in must be great. Big anti-portfolios don’t mean much in this world if you can still get great returns.

All that to say, the job of an angel is to increase the surface area for luck to stick. And once enough do, a thesis blossoms.

A thesis, at the end of the day, is retroactive. And the best thing a fund manager can do is that the thesis the fund ends on is as close as possible to the initial. As LPs, it is our job to bet on the future of the thesis and the discipline of the fund manager. Both are equally as important. If things do change, a fund manager must preemptively communicate strategy drift and do so in the best interest of their investors.

It’s not ideal in many cases. For individual LPs and smaller family offices, strategy drift matters less. For large institutional LPs, it matters more. Because the latter don’t want you to be investing in the same underlying asset as other funds they’re invested into are.

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