Fundraising ≠ Capital Formation

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I was chatting with a GP last week about the highlights and lowlights of having a multi-stage fund or just a VC fund as an LP via their fund-of-funds. The obvious synergies of access to downstream capital and branding, especially if the individual running the fund-of-funds is known for their institutional track record as an LP. As well as access to the GPs at those funds for mentorship reasons.

But the downsides also exist. You’re one of many of other GPs who have access to the same team. More often than not, there’s no institutional diligence. And the investment happens largely for strategic purposes. Same is true for multi-stage GPs investing through their own family office. But you also have to think through the tough conversations you need to have when you take checks from more than one of these funds. Assuming all else equal, and they write the same check size, when your portfolio companies are outperforming, do you pass them to Big Fund A or Big Fund B? Equally as true for any LP who wants co-investment opportunities. Family offices. Fund-of-funds. The classic question of: Do you like Mom or Dad more?

And there’s one more. Consider a multi-stage fund who’s an LP in your fund. You share one of your stellar portfolio companies with them, and they loved the deal so much they also invested. Not only invested, but led the following round at a much, much higher valuation. For the sake of this thought experiment, let’s say the Series A valuation is a solid nine figures. As such, they take a board seat. A year later, your portfolio company has the opportunity to exit for $800M. A phenomenal exit for everyone on the cap table, including yourself, your other co-investors, the founders, and the employees. And for you in particular, this would return meaningful multiples of your fund. But not your Series A lead, who is also your LP. The math isn’t inspiring for them. $800M would only be a shy 4-8X on their initial investment.

So, the Series A lead/your LP blocks the acquisition deal and pushes the founders to go for more. You push back on the motion as everyone else’s incentive, including the founders, is the same as yours. Whether the deal happens or not at this point is irrelevant. This Series A lead, who’s also your LP, ends up telling a number of other LPs that you’re difficult to work with. To the effect that they would also no longer re-up in your next vintage. And that makes your fundraise for the next fund even harder than you expected.

You’ve not only lost a $500-2M check (on average), but worse, you’re likely to have a tarnished reputation with prospective LPs. If they like you already, they may look beneath the surface. If they haven’t gotten to know you, they’ll likely surmise on limited information that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

Before you dismiss this as just a hypothetical case study, note that this is a true story.

As my buddy Thor once told me, “Capital formation is a design principle. Fundraising is a sales process. Without true design around a customer base and a product, you will fail eventually.”

Capital formation is thinking through the types of conversations you want to have when you’re in Fund n+1 and n+2, 5-6 years from now. As Adam Marchick once said, “The bulk of your conversations with an LP happen negative 6 months to time of investment. The most important conversations you have with an LP are Year 2 through 6 of your investment.” These are the conversations about extending recycling periods, early distributions, fund extensions, and so on. Many of which revolve around the return incentives of your LP base (if decisions are made by majority approval) or by LPAC approval. A family office who has no immediate liquidity needs might not want early distributions and wants you to hold out. Another who’s starting a new business line or pulling completely out of venture (because they were misinformed or set the wrong expectations initially) will want early liquidity and/or someone to buy their stake. An institution with a high leadership turnover rate will likely have a new CIO who’ll want to redo the whole portfolio. So what used to be obvious re-up decisions will need to be re-underwritten altogether.

So I’m not here to say, “Don’t take LP checks from fund-of-funds whose core business is being a VC.” I just want to remind you to consider the incentives of each LP you have on your cap table. Ideally, your LP base’s incentives are homogenous. Not only to themselves, but also to yours. Realistically, for the average emerging manager, it won’t be. But if you know it won’t be, prepare guardrails for future conversations. Don’t walk in blind.

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How to Read Investors Like a Book | Thorsten Claus | Superclusters | S6E1

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“You need to make space for weird types of conversations to happen on the fringes that really inform you what’s going on at the frontier.” — Thorsten Claus

Thorsten Claus is a venture investor and builder with more than 15 years of private equity and venture capital experience. He has raised nine funds, managed over $4.8B across global platforms, and led or overseen more than 120 direct investments, generating returns of 3x–7x net to investors.

His current work focuses on dual-use technologies at the intersection of defense, security, and national resilience. Guided by the discipline of Howard Marks, the systems-level thinking of the Consilience Project, and a commitment to internalizing externalities, he invests in teams and technologies that strengthen sovereign capability and long-term societal stability.

Beyond capital, Thorsten is a hands-on builder. He machines defense-critical and space components, restores historic race engines, and writes on production systems and resilience at blog.thinkstorm.com. This grounding in physical production complements his investment practice, keeping judgment tied to real-world constraints.

You can find Thor on his socials here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thorstenclaus/
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Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also watch the episode on YouTube here.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[02:31] Downhill skateboarding
[05:58] How do you see behind a corner when downhill skateboarding?
[07:42] Hill hunting
[10:15] How long does it take to go down the Sierras?
[11:41] The most important part of the body for downhill skateboarding
[16:02] David’s dumb question of the day
[17:25] The accident that pivoted Thor’s life
[19:34] The first race car Thor bought
[20:51] Why Thor is a terrible race car driver?
[23:52] How did Thor come to use the race oil that Porsche Racing uses?
[24:59] The 3 things you need to welcome fringe conversations
[27:07] Just another David misattribution
[27:34] Truth is difficult these days
[29:20] How do you prioritize which advice to take?
[30:33] Thor’s weird definition of risk
[31:59] How do you know if someone is giving you authentic advice?
[34:40] How does Thor understand someone’s past without asking about it?
[39:42] Lessons from fictional storytelling in diligencing GPs
[43:22] Questions and responses that reveal a GP’s past
[46:10] Books that Thor read to ask better questions
[49:18] What is the USMC Christmas Tree?
[53:40] The Christmas Tree in an investor’s portfolio
[57:49] Can beggars be choosers?
[1:00:41] The difference between capital formation and fundraising
[1:03:00] Production vs product for a GP
[1:06:54] Thor and cardistry
[1:10:21] What are moments that reminds Thor we’re still in the good old days?
[1:13:50] The post-credit scene

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“You need to make space for weird types of conversations to happen on the fringes that really inform you what’s going on at the frontier.” — Thorsten Claus

“Risk is the probability of a fatal outcome within given resources.” — Thorsten Claus

“Is it really out of conviction that they’re acting on [the advice] or is it just a belief? You know, I believe in many things, but do I act accordingly? That’s the difference between belief and conviction.” — Thorsten Claus

“The self audit of our actions, behaviors, processes, and decisions is so important.” — Thorsten Claus

“What I find more interesting than the question about ‘what’s the one thing you don’t want me to know about you’ is what it reveals about what you think about me. So, a social interaction is always with me with others, or you with me as well, and a group with others. If I’m worried that you know something about me, that reveals something more about what you fear my attitude is or how this is seen or how you would think I would act. And that is super insightful.” — Thorsten Claus

“If you want to find out something about the why and the what, you ask open-ended questions. If you confirm bad news, you voice it for them.” — Thorsten Claus

“There are no bad teams, only bad leaders.” — Jocko Willink

“There was a whole time when I grew up here in America where everything was great. […] Everyone gets a participation prize. I hated that because it really devalues people who are truly great. And the fact is that there are only very few truly great people.” — Thorsten Claus

“Capital formation is a design principle. Fundraising is a sales process. Without true design around a customer base and a product, you will fail eventually.” — Thorsten Claus


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