22 Years in Venture Secondaries | Abe Finkelstein | Superclusters | S5E9

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“Buying junk at a discount is still junk.” – Abe Finkelstein

Abe Finkelstein, Managing Partner at Vintage, has been leading fund, secondary, and growth stage investments focused on fintech, gaming, and SMB software, among others, leading growth stage and secondary investments for Vintage in companies like Monday.com, Minute Media, Payoneer, MoonActive and Honeybook.

Prior to joining Vintage in 2003, Abe was an equity analyst with Goldman Sachs, covering Israel-based technology companies in a wide variety of sectors, including software, telecom equipment, networking, semiconductors, and satellite communications. While at Goldman Sachs, Abe, and the Israel team were highly ranked by both Thomson Extel and Institutional Investor. Prior to Goldman Sachs, Abe was Vice-President at U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray, where he helped launch and led the firm’s Israel technology shares institutional sales effort. Before joining Piper, he was an Associate at Brown Brothers Harriman, covering the enterprise software and internet sectors. Abe began his career at Josephthal, Lyon, and Ross, joining one of the first research teams focused exclusively on Israel-based companies.

Abe graduated Magna Cum Laude from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania with a BS in Economics and a concentration in Finance.

Vintage Investment Partners is a global venture platform managing ~$4 billion across venture Fund of Funds, Secondary Funds, and Growth-Stage Funds focused on venture in the U.S., Europe, Israel, and Canada. Vintage is invested in many of the world’s leading venture funds and growth-stage tech startups striving to make a lasting impact on the world and has exposure directly and indirectly to over 6,000 technology companies.

You can find Abe on his socials here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abe-finkelstein/

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also watch the episode on YouTube here.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[03:18] Abe’s first investment
[06:19] The definition of quality secondaries in 2003
[09:37] How did Abe know there would be capital to follow?
[15:45] Valuation methodology in the 2000s
[22:28] Minimum meaningful ownership for secondaries
[26:17] Why did founders take Vintage’s call in Fund I?
[30:41] The old-school way of tracking deal memos
[32:06] Our job is to play the optimist
[32:31] The headwinds of raising Vintage Fund I
[36:32] Moving Vintage’s physical books to the cloud
[39:06] How does Abe assign discounts to secondaries?
[42:23] Proactive outreach vs reactive deal flow
[46:18] What does Vintage do to stay top of mind?
[49:49] What’s changed in the secondaries market since 2000?
[55:32] Founder paranoia
[57:56] What does Abe want his legacy look like?

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“Buying junk at a discount is still junk.” – Abe Finkelstein

“Everything that’s going on in the market today, I actually feel people are overreacting to it because there are these ups and downs. Hopefully this current situation doesn’t get people too freaked out because these are the times you want to be investing in. People just don’t think that way. They see the blood on the streets and they run from it first, instead of going in.” – Abe Finkelstein


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VC Fund Secondaries Unlocked | Dave McClure | Superclusters | S3E2

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Dave McClure has been a Silicon Valley entrepreneur and investor for over 25 years. He has invested in hundreds of startups around the world, including 10+ IPOs and 40+ unicorns (Credit Karma, Twilio, SendGrid, Lyft, The RealReal, Talkdesk, Grab, Intercom, Canva, Udemy, Lucid, GitLab, Reddit, Stripe, Bukalapak).

Prior to launching PVC in 2019, he was the founding partner of 500 Startups, a global VC firm with $1B AUM that has invested in over 2,500 companies and 5,000 founders across 75 countries. Dave created 20 VC funds under the 500 brand and invested in 20 other VC funds around the world.

Dave began his investing career at Founders Fund where he made seed-stage investments in 40 companies, resulting in 4 unicorns and 3 IPOs. He led the Credit Karma seed round in 2009 (acq INTU, over 400X return). His $3M portfolio returned more than $200M (~65X) in under 10 years.

Before he became an investor, Dave was Director of Marketing at PayPal from 2001-2004. He was also the founder/CEO of Aslan Computing, acquired by Servinet in 1998. Dave graduated from the Johns Hopkins University (BS, Engineering / Applied Mathematics).

You can find Dave on his socials here:
Twitter: https://x.com/davemcclure
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davemcclure/

And huge thanks to this episode’s sponsor, Alchemist Accelerator: https://alchemistaccelerator.com/superclusters

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also watch the episode on YouTube here.

Brought to you by Alchemist Accelerator.

OUTLINE:

[00:00] Intro
[03:37] How did Narnia inspire the start of Dave’s entrepreneurship?
[08:32] On the brink of bankruptcy
[11:42] The lesson Dave took away from his first acquisition
[13:19] What did Dave do that no one else did as a marketing director?
[16:06] What do most people fail to appreciate about secondaries?
[22:31] The 3 bucket method for secondaries
[28:46] How much do fund returners matter for secondaries?
[33:01] When do LPs typically think about selling fund secondaries?
[42:04] What are two questions that Dave asks to see if a portfolio is good for a secondary?
[46:10] Why is it complicated if a GP wants to buy an LP’s stake?
[55:03] When do most funds return 1X? 2-3X?
[57:13] Underwriting VC vs PE secondaries
[1:01:49] How do institutional LPs react to VC secondaries?
[1:07:01] The founding story of Practical VC
[1:15:36] Closing Josh Kopelman in Fund I
[1:18:47] How often does the PayPal Mafia get together?
[1:23:49] What’s the most expensive lessons Dave learned over the years?
[1:27:38] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring!
[1:28:29] If you enjoyed the episode, would deeply appreciate you sharing with one other friend!

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“Anything worth doing is worth fucking up the first time. [But] hopefully you don’t keep fucking it up.” – Dave McClure

“Anything worth doing is worth doing badly.” – G. K. Chesterton

“There’s a huge discount for illiquidity, and there’s a huge discount for a lack of buyers.” – Dave McClure

“Secondaries is a dish best served cold.” – Dave McClure


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