“Neutral references are worse than negative references.” – Kelli Fontaine
From investing in great fund managers to data to investor relations, Kelli Fontaine is a partner at Cendana Capital, a fund of funds who’s solely focused on the best pre-seed and seed funds with over 2 billion under management and includes the likes of Forerunner, Founder Collective, Lerer Hippeau, Uncork, Susa Ventures and more. Kelli comes from the world of data, and has been a founder, marketing expert, and an advisor to founders since 2010.
[00:00] Intro [02:11] How Kelli became a figure skater [06:59] Kelli’s football fandom [08:47] Picking schools for critical thinking for children [10:55] The difference between likeability and founder-friendliness [13:35] Correcting biases as LPs [15:07] Examples of what makes GPs unique [19:53] What kinds of data was Cendana NOT measuring when Kelli joined? [21:58] What are datapoints that LPs should measure but aren’t? [23:45] Startup metrics that LPs should track [26:16] Can you trust the data out there? [32:05] How does one start building a GP dataset from scratch? [37:38] Why does Cendana do 40 reference checks per fund? [39:47] Neutral references are worse than negative references [42:28] The questions Kelli asks founders when diligencing GPs [43:44] How Cendana does monthly calls with all their GPs and large LPs [47:57] How often does Cendana send investor updates? [49:13] The difference between monthly calls and taking an LPAC seat [51:19] Kelli’s indelible sports moments to witness [52:37] What makes Kelli laugh? [56:14] Thank you to Alchemist Accelerator for sponsoring [57:15] If you enjoyed this episode, it would mean a lot to me if you shared it with one other friend!
“Neutral references are worse than negative references.” – Kelli Fontaine
“What is unique about their background that gives them a right to win today?” – Kelli Fontaine
“Everybody uses year benchmarking, but that’s not the appropriate way to measure. We have one fund manager that takes five years to commit the capital to do initial investments versus a manager that does it all in a year. You’re gonna look very, very different. Ten years from now, 15 years from now, then you can start benchmarking against each other from that vintage.” – Kelli Fontaine
Before we dive into this blogpost, I’ve been asked by my legal friends to include the below disclaimer. I have a version of this at the bottom of every blogpost, but nevertheless, it doesn’t hurt to reiterate it again.
The views expressed on this blogpost are for informational purposes only. None of the views expressed herein constitute legal, investment, business, or tax advice. Any allusions or references to funds or companies are for illustrative purposes only, and should not be relied upon as investment recommendations. Consult a professional investment advisor prior to making any investment decisions.
One of my favorite scenes as a kid was in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone when Harry visits Diagon Alley for the first time. As the stone wall parted like the Red Sea, we saw a world unlike any we’ve seen before. With that, the audience along with Harry (Kudos for Director Chris Columbus‘ artistic direction) watched in wonder, excitement, and mystery. And Harry and I alike (Admittedly, I didn’t start reading the books till after the first movie) was hit with an overwhelming load of new information to absorb.
Raising your first fund is very much like that. While there are still some elements of familiarity, like investing in great people and winning great deals, you are taking other people’s money (OPM) for the first time. As such, it begs the questions: Who do you take money from? And how do you manage those relationships?
And like the stone wall in Diagon Alley, there’s more than meets the eye.
I have to thank Shiva for first bringing this topic to my attention, one that deserves a more nuanced breakdown than what is currently out there. And when Rebekah brought the below notion up for the Emerging LP Playbook, I knew I had to dedicate a blogpost to just this topic.
“GPs often have some flexibility on their minimum check size. I’m a pretty small check (particularly since I’ve been living on a founder salary!), but I can bring other things to the table to help the GPs I invest in (e.g. I highlighted Janine Sickmeyer from Overlooked Ventures in my Forbes column, I’m an advisor to Zecca Lehn from Responsibly Ventures, I send them deal flow from my AuthenTech community of founders). I’ve had luck with reaching out and saying ‘I really believe in what you’re doing. Please let me know if you get enough large checks and have room for some smaller LP investments.’ They’ll usually need to get enough big investments first since there are SEC limits on how many LPs they can have, and then they can let in some smaller, value-add LPs.”
The LP landscape is rapidly changing. What we knew in the last decade won’t get us to the next. The opacity in the LP world is getting undone by new, emerging LPs hungry to get involved and to learn. Folks, like Nichole at Wischoff Ventures have also shared publicly what her LP base looks like, with a level of transparency that’s foreign, yet refreshing for this industry.
Regulation has moved the needle, allowing for greater allocations to equity crowdfunding, as well as introducing more retail and high net-worth individual investors, to join the foray. Platforms, like AngelList, Republic, Twitter, Allocate, and Revere, just to name a few, are creating engines for better GP discoverability. There have been conversations on raising the ceiling on the number of accredited investors in a fund to 600. Which, if passed, will allow for smaller checks into funds, whereas the previous decades only allowed for family offices and institutions, as well as close friends. Anecdotally, I’ve also seen a lot of angel investors starting to allocate to funds rather than just purely startups.
And at this inflection point, as a GP, you need to be ready for this market shift that’s still early now, but starting to move. And hopefully, the below insights from 11 amazing GPs will serve as your wand, potions, owl and broom as you embark into the magical world of being a fund manager.
My methodology
To be fair, LP construction is more of an art than a science. So, I asked GPs who were on Funds I, II, or III. Why? Emerging GPs would best be able to relate a lot more to the hustle of finding and persuading different kinds of LP personas than someone who was on a Fund X or XV, who already have a long track record that speaks for itself.
I’m also a firm believer in tactical mentorship — mentors who are just 2-3 years ahead of you. People who have just been through the trenches you’re in and can share the lessons they learned. At the same time, not too far ahead where they are no longer the best people to check your blind side. After all, the lessons they picked up are still fresh in their mind. As a function, every one of these amazing GPs started their current fund in the past decade. The only caveat is that this may be the first recession they’re investing other people’s money (OPM) into, although they may have invested their own in the previous decade. And while that may be true, their lessons are timeless.
In the world of baseball, there’s the idea of breaking the catcher’s mitt. In other words, a new glove must be worn and used several times before it can achieve its full potential. Pitching to LPs and LP construction as a whole is no different. Just like a founder needs to pitch to several friends, colleagues, and investors, before they can hit their full stride during fundraising, raising from LPs requires many conversations and many iterations. Even Felicis’ brilliant Aydin Senkut got his first yes from an LP in Felicis after 107 iterations of his pitch.
So, in embarking on this topic and to get the best insight I could, it came down to two core pillars: the people I asked and the questions. I’ll start with the people.
Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot. And the folks included here are by no means all-inclusive. Many who had gone on to raise a Fund IV or higher. In effect, a few years or more out of the emerging manager game. Quite a few I didn’t know well enough. That’s on me. And some who, for all their goodwill and insight, unfortunately, were busy in the weeks prior to this blogpost coming out.
The questions
Building a firm with multiple funds is, in many ways, like driving a car through fog. Not my best analogy, but gets the point across. You see the rough outlines of the road just a few meters ahead, but you won’t see the sinkholes and the cracked concrete until you’re right in front of it, nor do you see any part of the road further than a few meters away. Or as Warren Buffett says, “The rearview mirror is always clearer than the windshield.”
Things are often painfully obvious in hindsight, but are scary, mysterious and unknown in foresight. Sometimes, you just don’t know what you don’t know. And as such, I write and I ask, in hopes to help the ones starting off, to develop foresight from the below cast’s hindsight. And to each, I had five overarching questions, coupled with follow-ups for more depth:
As you embark on your fundraise, note that different LPs resonate with different pitches. Additionally, when you choose out to reach out to each persona, be aware of what each of these LP personas’ incentives are. As a seasoned LP once told me:
High net-worth individuals seek to learn and rarely have a financial incentive.
Small and medium-sized family offices seek to learn and access top decile deal flow.
Larger LPs, like institutions and fund-of-funds, seek financial return.
From my conversations, it seems most GPs raising a Fund I start with individuals, then target larger check sizes as their fundraise matures. For Fund IIs, many seem to start with finding an anchor LP first, before reaching out to individuals and family offices.
The truth is there’s no silver bullet. And you’ll see exactly why below. So what might be more useful to you, an emerging GP, are anecdotes of what worked for different funds. As I call it, tools for your toolkit.
I will note that the one LP persona I won’t touch on as much since I have a lack of data here are corporates who usually seek technology, as well as information access, largely for acquisition opportunities.
Individuals
Start with people close to you.
“You should always target friendlies first. Welcome your references and first believers who might be founders, individuals, former coworkers, classmates.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“It all depends on which Fund you are raising, how much you are raising, track record, team, and many more variables. If you are an emerging manager that is not spinning out of a brand named fund with a significant track record, you are going to have to be scrappy and start with people who know and trust you. “
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
“You should always start off with your network – from the closest circle and outwards through the various concentric circles. At the beginning, you want to focus on finding your first believers. Those are your first-degree and maybe second-degree connections. So it’s less of the archetype of LP, but more so the depth of relevant relationship that matters. After the first close, that’s when you explore emerging manager programs or talk to more traditional asset managers — still largely within your first- and second-degree networks and/or those of your close early LPs and advisors.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
“The first $5 million is the hardest. Go to your friends and family. Build some momentum. After you get the initial momentum, it builds off of that. Everyone back channels everyone.”
— Vijen Patel, The 81 Collection
“For the beginning of a fundraise, I’d recommend asking for advice (before money) from people you’ve worked with for an extended amount of time. Your earliest checks may often be smaller but meaningful amounts from colleagues, co-investors, and GPs at other firms.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
“The thing is my fund wasn’t oversubscribed from the beginning since I found it hard to raise. It’s a game of momentum, and in the beginning, I didn’t have any. In the beginning, it was about reaching out to the folks that you know. So, I mostly reached out to GPs and fund managers I knew and getting them through.”
— Shiva Singh Sangwan, 1947 Rise
“At the beginning, always start with people you have relationships with — people who’ve known you for a very long time. They not only want to invest in the fund, but invest in you. My first LPs would have likely invested in anything I created, but they knew I wanted to build a track record in venture. I’ve known one of my LPs since we were kids. Another was one of my best friends in university. Another was a friend of his.”
— “Mr. Huxley”, GP with two funds
Beware of relying too much on publicly available data to find LPs.
“The challenge with a purely data-driven approach (i.e. on LinkedIn or Pitchbook) is that you don’t understand the full rationale for why certain LPs invested in a fund. On paper, it may look like a family office is an LP in venture funds, but the principal at that family office could just be the brother- or sister-in-law of the GP. Most LPs also don’t explicitly say they’re LPs on LinkedIn. They could be an asset manager or a CEO of a Fortune 500 company. They almost always don’t want to be inundated with asks. Only after understanding why the industry is opaque, can you then understand LPs and find them.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
For potential MVP LPs, check size doesn’t matter.
“At the beginning of the fundraise, anyone that knows you and trusts you already AND can easily part with some money. Our first close was $20 million, and it was almost all people who knew us already – either directly or through our brand. We only had one new investor. In that group, we were lucky to have some fairly common names, which helped build the momentum for the rest of the fundraise.
“We did think about check sizes a little bit. There were some people we wanted to have involved for sure, and for them, the check size didn’t really matter. In our first close, we thought of people who could write a $250K check. And if there was someone we really wanted, we’d reduce it to $100K. I’m also an LP, and I do the same. If I plan to invest, I always negotiate down as well. The GP tells me X and I say I’ll invest X, divided by three.”
— Sheel Mohnot, Better Tomorrow Ventures
Persistence also speaks for itself.
“There are two types of investors: those who will commit to your fund now, and those who will invest after building trust. A lot of investors don’t like to invest in a Fund I. To keep them engaged, you either take a tiny check they’re comfortable with or you share regular LP updates that showcase your proof of work.
“In addition, you have to be clear with expectations. I bucketed potential LPs into four buckets:
High net-worth individuals
Founders and operators
Family offices
And GPs
“With each meeting, my pitch evolved and did a lot of follow ups. I had to show I was getting access to good deals and how I was getting access to those deals. You have to share the story behind that. That’s how you attract other investors. For instance, I remember sending my proof of work and an additional ten follow-ups to an LP. And each time I followed up, there has to be some new substance, value, and proof of work. It was a long process, but he ended up becoming one of my largest checks.
“Investors who were or are hustlers tended to gravitate towards my pitch. They became high-functioning people because of their hustle and respect me for my follow-ups and my persistence. They saw themselves in me. Similarly, founders are most likely going to get a reply from me who follow-up at least 2-3 times.
“The lesson here is that being persistent shows that you care. 99.9% of people won’t follow up, and by doing so, you’re already standing out.”
— Shiva Singh Sangwan, 1947 Rise
There are different ways to get in front of LPs: events, Twitter, deal flow, etc.
“Throw events for your LPs — a nice dinner or a cool experience — and ask them to invite their friends. Host events in a thoughtful way.
“Share relevant SPVs. Even broader, it’s content. Having founders be big fans of yours is also helpful. It’s a positive signal and creates buzz.
“That said, having co-investors who like you is a more direct path. LPs often ask VCs: Who are you co-investing with? Which emerging managers are you excited about? These LPs are looking for names. Some GPs are more generous with intros; while others prefer not to share but that’s OK as long as some do.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
“Looking back at my experience, a majority of our LPs from both Fund I and II actually came from Twitter and warm intros. I’m on Twitter a lot, mostly because I raised Fund I during the pandemic, so Twitter was where I hung out with many of my friends. I love to tell stories and as an extension I help founders tell their stories. And I host events and have done so since elementary school when I was on the student government event planning board. People are interested in my story because I don’t come from a traditional background. They invested mainly because they realize ‘she’s putting so much into the ecosystem, so it’ll eventually come back to pay dividends.'”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
Some individual LPs are not financially motivated.
“I want to preface that we only have foreign LPs, not US LPs. So, sophistication is very different. With European investors, while running a fund investing in the US, you can play the access game. In other words, you can sell access to great US companies. It’s something I lean on quite a bit.
“My LPs are quite sophisticated outside of the world of tech. They’re finance-savvy wealth managers, founders, high net worth individuals with net worths greater than $50 million, where they invest out of leisure and pursuing a mission, rather than for financial returns. They don’t understand venture, but want exposure to venture.”
— “Mr. Huxley”, GP with two funds
Start with HNW individuals, and end on family offices.
“Let’s make a few assumptions here. Let’s assume this is a Fund I and an emerging manager who doesn’t come from an extreme pedigree. Not from Sequoia or the like. This person is a decent operator-turned-VC, investing with a cool thesis. I’m going to also assume they’re not going to raise a $50 million Fund I or greater. They’re staying small and only raising $10-20 million.
“So I break down LPs into four categories.
High net-worth individuals – These are your angels.
Family offices – They have a lot more assets, usually $100 million or greater.
Fund of funds – They have a mandate to invest in other funds.
Endowments – These are very large institutions, maybe even sovereign wealth. They tend to write big checks into big funds.
“The big mistake I see many GPs make is that most GPs try to target the big ones out of the gate. Rather, in the beginning, focus on the high net-worth individuals. This is similar to asking angels. Their conviction and speed is quick. Their typical check size is no greater than $100K.
“Once you get a few million in the bank, then focus on the family offices — the $1-5 million checks. They tend to operate a lot like angels, but have just accumulated a lot more wealth. Around Fund II or III, then you target larger institutions.
“So, my recommendation is that as an emerging manager, start with angels, end with family offices.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
“When you get closer to a final close, and you have a small fund, you can always welcome 1-2 family offices who can write small checks as well as individual investors who can be really helpful.”
— Shiva Singh Sangwan, 1947 Rise
Family offices
Find LPs by optimizing your search with certain keywords.
“Ask your existing LPs if they know anyone. Search LinkedIn to make their life easier. To find LPs, I would recommend looking up the keywords: Venture capital, asset manager, family office, emerging manager, startup (or venture) ecosystem, allocation, active allocator. All the above implies someone is putting money to work.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
Ask each person for just one intro, nothing more.
“Hustle Fund today has hundreds of LPs in our pipeline. But when we started off, we didn’t know a single family office. So, at the risk of sounding unintentionally mean, here’s how I think about it. Finding a family office is kind of like finding a cockroach. It’s always hard to find the first one. But once you find one, you’ll find a whole nest.
“I’ll share a tactical networking tip of how we found family offices over time. So, let’s say we chat with David. He likes us and decides to invest in the fund. We then share our fundraising blurb and deck and ask, ‘Do you mind sending this to one person you think would be a good fit for our fund?’
“The mistake I see a lot of other fund managers make is they ask, ‘Do you mind sharing this to anyone you think would be a good fit?’ Don’t ask for too much. There’s just too much paradoxical choice. There’s too many in their network to choose from and that overwhelms them.
“So, we change the question to just ask for one. That’s it. Generally, they think of the richest person they know. With just one intro, you’re magically in the family office world. A rich person tends to be friends with a lot of other rich people. It is secretive, but they also talk amongst each other a lot. When they invest, they like to bring their own friends in too.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
Ask for intros to LPs who backed GPs who look like you.
“Another big filter is to find LPs who have backed GPs that look like you or have a similar investment strategy. For me, it was finding LPs who have backed solo GPs. To be fair, it’s not easy to figure out, since it is a rather opaque industry. So, I had other solo GPs I knew well and have co-invested with help make intros to their LPs.
“For LPs that I’ve never talked to before, a question I always ask LPs is: ‘Have you ever backed a solo GP?’ If not, don’t waste your time as you’re extremely unlikely to be their first. They likely have strong philosophical reasons to not back solo GPs so your meeting time is better spent elsewhere.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
Institutional LPs
Don’t underestimate the power of an anchor LP.
“If possible, having a respected entity who could anchor 5-10% of the fund would be ideal. In my case, my former partnership Bain Capital Ventures anchored my fund which was ideal because it keeps us connected and they are well known in the industry. Just like for a founder, having a lead is important. Having an anchor early helps you build momentum to close the rest of the fund.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“For Fund II, I wanted an anchor LP to provide stability and credibility in the fundraise. Cendana was my number one pick. As a function of fund size at the seed stage, they’re definitely the best. The Harvard of LPs. To become part of their community, for me, was really important.
“It was a hard process, but was doubly as difficult, since Josh and I went our separate ways for Fund II. We had to communicate that decision to our 120 LPs in Fund I before starting the fundraise.
“In Fund I, some LPs believed in me. Some believed in Josh separately. I remember fondly of our first $10K check of belief capital. BGV’s most expensive decisions were our investment decisions. We made all our decisions together in Fund I. We also tried doing a few SPVs via Assure. While it was a great start to our career in VC, it required more work than we thought made sense. But for Fund II, it was going to be different. It was just me. No more SPVs, just checks out of the fund. The story itself wasn’t hard to communicate, but when we got to our 70th call, it was hard to sell the same emotional story.
“So, once we did, I put in the work. I flew to Australia to get introductions and to meet his teammate. Whenever I chatted with other GPs that were backed by Michael [Kim], I’d ask them to say hi to him.
“Pitching to Cendana, and most importantly, Michael, was the longest sales process I’ve ever gone through. He passed on Fund I, but he finally said yes to BGV’s Fund II. Along with Michael, GREE also doubled down on Fund II, along with operator checks from folks at Dropbox and other companies.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
Bigger LPs have the ability to write smaller get-to-know-you checks.
“At the end of Fund I, we ended up with Cendana, Greenspring, Industry, Vintage, and Invesco. All fund-of-funds, but they all wrote relatively smaller checks than they typically do. For all the afore-mentioned funds, they wrote $1-3 million checks. It was a get-to-know-you check. They would talk to other companies in our portfolio and other managers we co-invested with. And so the best way to get in front of them was to get intros from other managers these fund-of-funds invested in.”
— Sheel Mohnot, Better Tomorrow Ventures
Talk to LPs whose minimum check size is 20% or less of your fund.
“Some CIOs like being in Fund I’s; others don’t. There’s a lot of alpha in Fund I. At the same time, there are others that won’t consider you seriously until Fund III. The challenge is figuring that out as quickly as possible.
“The best filter for this is figuring out what their minimum check size is. And, is that greater than 20% of your fund size? If so, it won’t be a good fit.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“Biggest thing is their own AUM and the amount they need to deploy. First barrier to entry is the size of the fund you are raising as the GP. If you are raising sub-$75M (give or take) it wouldn’t be big enough for their minimum check size. LPs don’t want to be even close to a majority of your fund, or likely more than 20%.”
— Nichole Wischoff, Wischoff Ventures
“Some institutional LPs also cannot write small checks since they are dealing with other variables around their asset allocation models.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
Start conversations early with LPs who can invest in the ideal fund size you want to raise.
“It’s not just about what your fund size is today, but where you aspire to be. Say you have a $25 million fund today, but aspire to have a $150 million fund where you lead Series As by Fund III or IV, then you should still talk to LPs who are able to write checks that are 20% or less of that future fund. It’s important to know there may be incredible university endowments or foundations who really like you as a GP but in order to run their business efficiently, they have to be able to write minimum checks of $25M or even $50M+ which means they only seriously consider funds of $150M+.
“The question for you, the fund manager, is: Are you going to grow your fund size over time? Or are you going to stay consistent with your current fund size? If the former, then you need to spend a fair bit of time in your deck about how your strategy will shift over time and some views into those larger future funds.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“I started having conversations with institutions while I was raising Fund II knowing they wouldn’t come in until Fund III at the earliest. You need a lot of touchpoints and time with these types of LPs before they invest. I am very focused on LPs that want to underwrite me/the fund for years. I want long lasting relationships and partners that can come in fund over fund.”
— Nichole Wischoff, Wischoff Ventures
“So, when I speak to institutions that are more data-driven — they think about the scalability of AUM — I knew many of those folks were not going to be the best fit. That’s why raising Fund I was so hard.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
“We have been cultivating relationships with a large amount of institutional LP’s over the last few years. Investors invest based on trust and relationship and in our mind that doesn’t happen overnight.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
LPs hate surprises.
“There are some institutional LPs who will give you transparent feedback and transparency about their process but most do not. The #1 thing that rules them all is track record and performance. Institutional LPs don’t want surprises; they want to see a multi-year established track record in what you are investing in.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
And even if they disagree with you, LPs like consistent LP updates, even prior to their investment.
“We have a couple institutions that have invested in Hustle Fund. What I didn’t appreciate out of the gate is how long it took to build those relationships. They want to see at least one fund cycle, ideally two. That’s usually anywhere between two and four years. But we’ve nailed how we do it passively.
“We have a newsletter that goes out on the first day of each month at midnight — every month for the past 5.5 years. Each issue has two things: a state of the market and a deal memo on each deal we’ve invested in.
“Today we have 150 investors across three funds and an additional 450 investors who have not invested yet. Think of it like a monthly drip campaign for these prospective investors. Investors get to see what we execute against what we say we’re going to do.
“In some cases, these investors like what they see and choose to eventually invest. In other cases, they find themselves totally disagreeing with how we run our process so they don’t invest, and that’s okay, too. Drip campaigns are always a great marketing tool to close customers. That’s no less true for Hustle Fund. So, at some point, when we mention we’re going to raise a Fund IV, all the meetings will just line up.
“I’ll share a story. Our biggest LP, Foundry Group — Jaclyn and Lindel run their LP initiatives — initially didn’t like our thesis and approach. To them, our investment model was a little too spray and pray. But at the end of our Fund II, they told me, ‘Even if we’re a little uncomfortable with your thesis, you’ve been so consistent with sharing how you’re learning and developing, and we love it. So, we want to invest now.’ They invested because of our newsletter, and witnessing our exact fund thesis. You gotta put in the work. And if you do, the money will follow.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
Give LPs a compelling reason not to back an established fund. Otherwise, they will.
“Every institution is different, but it’s also really important to realize that with most institutions, the decision maker is not making the decision based on their own capital. So, risk is a huge point. No one is going to get fired for backing Sequoia. They could potentially get fired for putting a huge check into a new emerging manager that isn’t proving anything and going backwards. It’s important to understand the incentives of who you’ll be working with. So institutions are a completely different beast than individuals. Anything they do there’s usually 5 to 10 back references. It’s a small world. For pushback, they want to see a track record, which is really hard for emerging managers. And they want to see some sort of pedigree.”
— Vijen Patel, The 81 Collection
“I’m the horrible anomaly of being able to raise from institutional LPs in my first fund. I’ll chalk up timing, privilege, and reputation as being the reason we were successful in doing so. While not all of this is relevant to emerging managers today, 100 Days of Fundraising was a blog post which detailed how Homebrew ran its process.”
— Hunter Walk, Homebrew
Author’s Note: Of particular note, in Hunter’s alluded blogpost, is when he writes:
“What we also had was a point of view as to where we’d be investing: the Bottom Up Economy. This set us apart from other funds with broader or non-descriptive investment principles. We also had given extensive thought to our portfolio construction strategy around playing lead roles in rounds, the number of deals we would do each year, how much capital we’d hold back for follow-on, etc. The combination of these two meant that a fund could see how we’d be differentiated in the marketplace and where we’d fit against their current exposure.”
Should your LPs be active?
The truth is, and you’ll read this below, most LPs are passive. But in a world where you take so many different types of risk as an emerging GP, it helps to have people you can lean on. So, it really comes down to two questions:
What can you ask of your LPs?
What is the upside and downside to having active LPs?
The bull case for active LPs
HNW individuals are just waiting for the ask.
“The LPs I love working with are the ones who are going to be actively involved. They share their expertise with the portfolio, answer our questions, and are willing to jump on random calls with me. A lot of our LPs are high net-worth individuals, and they’re just waiting for the ask. They’re waiting for the GPs who they invested in, to engage with them. Sometimes, all it takes is a 20-minute call to share deals or thoughts or questions.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
Your LPs will make LP intros if you have a good story.
“I think you can do a good job of getting LPs to send intros. If you can build trust and tell a good story, your LPs will naturally tell others because it comes up at a cocktail party organically. A VC fund is more interesting than ‘Hey I invested in a new ETF.'”
— Vijen Patel, The 81 Collection
Incentivize your LPs with additional carry.
“With Fund II, my Fund I LPs opened the door to other LPs in their network. Additionally, I am quite generous with my 20% carry for running the fund. I share 5% of the carry pool with other founders and LPs who send me deals, help with diligence and introduce me to other LPs.”
— “Mr. Huxley”, GP with two funds
Leverage your LPs’ brand to win deals.
“In my case, I had smart and well-connected LPs, and I was able to win deals because of them by inviting them into deals I wanted to get into. Some of my LPs happened to be fund managers as well, and I have been able to learn a lot from them.”
— Shiva Singh Sangwan, 1947 Rise
Build communities alongside LPs.
“I do believe there is room for LPs to provide value on top of what we expect today – better ways to tap their networks on behalf of our portfolio companies for example. At Screendoor for example, a fund of funds that backs underrepresented emerging managers, we strive to create a community among these VCs to support each other, and also pair them with VCs (like me) who can be coaches along the way when they have questions about firm building.”
— Hunter Walk, Homebrew
If you’re doing something for the first time, ask institutional LPs how other managers they’ve backed have done so.
“Since their investment offices have decades of experience in the venture sector and exposure to top managers across all stages, we often turn to them to gut check our reality against their perspective of the market. And when we encounter a type of situation for the first time, understand how other managers have approached the solution.”
— Hunter Walk, Homebrew
Author’s Note: Paige’s anecdote on how she engages her LPAC below is a great +1 to this point.
Let your LPs choose the kind of LP they want to be.
“I have no preference here. Rather, I’m open to what my LPs want their experience to be like. I have LPs that want to be more passive, as well as operator LPs who want to learn more about investing, lend expertise during diligence, facilitate customer intros, and even help out portfolio companies with hiring.
“After my LPs wire their money, I send them an intake form where I ask the question: How would you describe yourself as an LP? I have a number of statements they can select to indicate whether they are a newer or more experienced LP, if they’d like to be more active with founders, how often they’d like to communicate with me, and if they are interested in co-investment opportunities and events. I have another question following that: If you want to be more active, what are ways you enjoy helping?”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“I leave it completely up to them, but they typically opt to be more active. I host monthly one-hour office hours, share quarterly updates and deal reviews. For office hours, while we mostly chat about interesting deals I’ve been seeing in the last 30 days, my LPs can ask me anything. I try to be as communicative as possible – valuations, deal memos, and diligence. Sometimes they ask me to set up an additional SPV if they’re interested in putting additional capital in. I have a separate Airtable for deals we’re diligencing at the moment which LPs have access to. If they’re interested in a deal, they can reach out and ask. If not, they don’t have to.”
— “Mr. Huxley”, GP with two funds
The bear case for active LPs
Having engaged LPs is a lot of work.
“Candidly, I don’t want LPs that want to be super engaged outside of maybe one or two. It’s enough work as it is with quarterly reporting, etc. I want LPs focused on returns. Cendana is the most active with me and in great ways because they have so many emerging managers. I can strategize on fund size, raise timing, first hires, etc.”
— Nichole Wischoff, Wischoff Ventures
Emerging LPs want to learn from you, but remember you’re an investor, not a professor.
“Emerging LPs want that education. For emerging LPs who write a $5 million check or greater, they might like for you to jump on a call every quarter to educate them and share your current portfolio and what else you are seeing out in the field.
“Also, be thoughtful about how you’re managing your time, so that you don’t turn into a full-time venture professor. You’re an investor, a GP. That’s what you’re getting paid to do.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
Then again, most LPs are just passive.
“Most LPs are pretty passive. Sometimes they are helpful by making intros to our portfolio companies. We also like getting a pulse on the market from them.”
— Sheel Mohnot, Better Tomorrow Ventures
“Mostly passive. Most of the time, when the deals are good, they require little involvement.”
— Shiva Singh Sangwan, 1947 Rise
GP-LP fit: Red flags and things to watch out for
Avoid LPs who ask for special terms.
“These are long-term marriages, really long term. If you are going to be partners for the next 10-20 years, you better like each other. We have a no-asshole rule. We want investors who believe in our approach and ethos. My mentors at some of the top VC funds of the last 20 years have also coached us to keep the terms clean and I think a lot of emerging managers feel pressure to give special terms and ownership of their management company or GP, and long term, that might be something you regret.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
“While I haven’t said no yet, I have selectively not followed up. For example, after talking with other GPs, I’ve heard some LPs were tricky to manage – outside the norm. It’s okay to expect quarterly communications, but when people start pushing an agenda, that’s too much.
“Avoid LPs who ask you to give up economics as a GP or change your terms. LPs who want to negotiate lower management fees, a different carry structure, or they want to own 20% of the general partnership for the next three funds are best avoided if possible. They want to change the terms that everyone else has. I wouldn’t allow that. If other LPs find out (and they eventually do), it would cause my LPs to lose trust in me and rightfully be frustrated that they got worse terms.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
Do your LPs’ goals align with your fund goals?
“As we got into the process we realized there was, at the time (2013) some other attributes we needed to take into consideration. One for example was the LP’s definition of success.
“We wanted LPs who were investing in us solely because they thought we’d be good stewards of their capital and return above-benchmark results. If there was a second agenda that they made obvious we typically declined the opportunity to work together. Our mindset was that there’s so much risk in trying to build a new firm, let’s focus all of our energy on a single definition of success: cash on cash returns. That precluded taking capital from LPs who were emphasizing direct co-investment (some of our LPs have direct practices and we love to bring them in to portfolio company cap tables when there’s mutual interest but we didn’t want it to be an expectation) or strategic investors who had interests in our portfolio different than our own (e.g. corporates that wanted access to market information).”
— Hunter Walk, Homebrew
Do you have the bandwidth to teach?
“If someone wants to learn, that can take a lot of time. Time that, for you, might be better spent elsewhere. If you’d rather spend the time elsewhere, like with your portfolio or investing, be clear with expectations. And if they don’t budge, don’t take that money.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
Beware of round tripping.
“I actually couldn’t take any Indian capital due to regulations. There’s a thing called ’round tripping.’ If a fund in India invests in a fund that’s built in the US, then invests back into Indian startups, that’s round tripping. And unfortunately, not allowed.”
— Shiva Singh Sangwan, 1947 Rise
Check your CFIUS rules.
“Before you say yes to LPs, check the CFIUS rules. Under those guidelines, you may not be able to take money from certain countries and parties.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
Did you take the right capital from the right people?
“Even though we heard ‘no’ a lot during our first fundraise we also turned down some offers. We’d already done a good job of pre-screening out LPs who we didn’t think were values aligned with Homebrew (e.g. money came from sources/institutions we wouldn’t want to work on behalf of).”
— Hunter Walk, Homebrew
“If they’re asking for things that you’re not comfortable with, then you probably shouldn’t work with them. The key is that there should be zero second-guessing. You need to be in a relationship with partners you won’t regret, during bull and bear markets. Ask yourself, ‘Did I take the right capital from the right people? Sometimes, it’s about where that capital came from and if you feel good about that. If there’s any inkling of doubt, don’t take the money or it’ll come back to haunt you.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
“You need to communicate your clear values as a fund and long-term platform. Any LPs not aligned on your mission and values would be people to say no to quickly.”
— Arjun Dev Arora, Format One
“So, I did say no. I turned down a million dollar check because I didn’t feel comfortable with him being in front of a founder. And we’re very geared on our community. Money’s nice, but it’s not everything.”
— Vijen Patel, The 81 Collection
“Another thing to be mindful of is if an LP has a history of making verbal commitments and then changing that number at closing. You want a reliable and trusted relationship. If you did a reference with another GP, and heard that an LP cut their commitment by 50% at the last minute, that capital’s just not worth the risk to me.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
Don’t tolerate disrespect.
“I said no to a few LPs in Fund II. This was largely because they were super disrespectful during the raise process. I had an LP fly in from the UK after already committing and was so insanely rude to me in front of his all-male team that I decided not to work with them. I also try to be very transparent for folks that might not be a great fit for the fund.”
— Nichole Wischoff, Wischoff Ventures
“Small things I look for include off-color jokes, like ‘Look at that hot chick,’ or asking stupid questions. Some LPs have said this to Elizabeth, ‘How do you balance being a mom and being a full-time investor?’ I dare people to ask me that question. I’m a dad and I’m still doing it, but no one does.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
Author’s Note: Eric goes into much more detail on ten reasons why you shouldn’t take LP money here, which I highly recommend a read.
Are your LPs disengaged during the diligence process?
“There are people who are disengaged in the diligence process. Those are people who are usually a bad fit.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
Look for complimentary experience and diversity of opinion and experiences.
“Like any cap table or LP base, what is important to us is to have partners who can grow with us for a long period of time and where we have diversity of thought, experience, and exceptions. It was really important to Oceans and our ethos to have amazing founders and tech execs as LPs early on who could be great to lean on for diligence and additional leverage to support our founders and entrepreneurial family offices. At the same time we have LPs who are extremely valuable on the finance side and who have a long history of investing in venture. Complimentary experience and diversity of capital is really important to us.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
“I also want to put it out there that GPs should be intentional about their LPs. For me, I aim to have my LP base include at least 50% who identify as women or non-binary, 10% black or Latinx, and 10% LGBTQ. Be intentional and solicit a diverse group of people. People talk about the diversity of founders and venture investors, but not about LPs. I think a lot about wealth creation, and it starts from the very top. I think people should be thinking about that a lot more.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
Don’t discount vibe.
“For Fund I, we had a chance to close $30 million worth of LP capital, but we only chose to raise $11 million. That’s a lot of people we said no to.
“It comes down to say a single word: vibe. It’s kind of like a marriage. ‘You’re trusting me with your wealth for a decade, if not more. It’s not a relationship we take lightly.’ I also share all the reasons why it won’t work out. So our LPs know what they’re getting themselves into.
“If something feels off, I don’t have to explain it. No one on our team has to explain it. If your gut feels like this could be off, we should just always trust that. Those one or two LPs your gut tells you is off are likely going to be super annoying,
“People like to logos their way out of things, but you really have to go back to gut feel. It’s almost never worth it. I can’t explain what an asshole feels like. But when you meet one, you know it.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
“If I have a gut feeling that something is weird, then I trust that.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
Big checks prevent you from bringing in other LPs you want.
“We haven’t had to say no to that many LPs. In our case, we either told them, ‘It’s too late – we’re full now and don’t have room for you.’ Or we talked LPs down from how much they wanted to commit. We had an LP who initially committed $22 million. And we told them, ‘Hey, we want to add more investors to our fund, so we don’t want to have any investors who commit more than $15 million.’”
— Sheel Mohnot, Better Tomorrow Ventures
Sometimes, the check size is just too small.
“I’ve said no because people wanted to invest below the minimum. To which, I told them to wait until they could meet the minimum. I’m not in the business of putting people in financial distress. And if my minimum, which is modest by design, $100K, called over two years, puts people in a position where they are stressed out, they shouldn’t invest in me or perhaps venture as a whole.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“As the fund grew, I would turn down certain individuals due to check size.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
But check size can vary based on an LP’s value to you or the portfolio.
“I also only reached out to people I wanted to have on board. The minimum check size did vary from individual to individual, which I largely based it off of the value they could provide for the fund and my portfolio companies.”
— Shiva Singh Sangwan, 1947 Rise
Or don’t settle and aim high.
“I hate the word ‘oversubscribed.’ It’s something I was lucky to learn very early on. Early in my career I had a board member say to me that if you hit your goals every quarter, your goals aren’t high enough.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
Author’s Note: As you might realize even more after the last three pieces of advice, there’s really no right answer.
How do GPs think about building an LPAC?
Your anchor and other major LPs will ask you to create one.
“On the LPAC, I think I can confidently say that no fund manager wants an LPAC and proactively creates one. It is usually the ask of an anchor LP as you scale fund size. For example, for my second fund, I was asked by an LP to create one, and I was told a good number of LPAC members is three. You want the anchor LP in the LPAC because they are your biggest investor, and the two others should be trusted partners who want to help you. It’s up to me who I ask assuming not many have asked to be a part of it.
“I’ve been told most managers will have a bi-annual quick check-in call just to talk about how things are going. TBD if I ever do this. On the other hand, a lot of managers try to wait until they have at least $100M in AUM to give into an LPAC. But I didn’t say no.”
— Nichole Wischoff, Wischoff Ventures
“I think it’s, in large part, who wants to be on it. A lot of your larger LPs, in exchange for 10% of your fund, want to be on your LPAC. There are some investors who committed 10% but don’t want to be on it. It’s not like a board. If people want to be on it, it’s okay.
“We have five on our LPAC, and it’s a good number. We give them an early look by sharing with them our plan and fund deck. So, they gave us early feedback, like on carry structure.”
— Sheel Mohnot, Better Tomorrow Ventures
If a smaller LP wants to be on the LPAC, push back by giving them options that fit what you’re looking for.
“There are no real rules about how you approach them. We typically like to have our largest investors in it, at least symbolically. They’re putting in the most risk, so they should have a say in the direction of the firm.
“If someone does ask for it, and if they aren’t a large enough check, we tell them, ‘We like to reserve this spot for our largest LPs because they have the largest exposure in our fund. We’re open to you being a member in our LPAC, if you increase your check size.” That way, you can leave the ball in their court. Either, they won’t push further or they’ll commit more capital to the fund.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
Evaluate a potential LPAC member on five different dimensions.
“So I will preface that emerging funds — Funds I to III or IV — are different from established funds, which have a mostly institutional base. Those who tend to write large checks may also be more inclined to want a seat on the LPAC.
“We look at it from these different dimensions, which we categorize into:
Flexibility,
Complementary skills,
Ability to give honest feedback
Value, and
Capital
“So, flexibility is important because we’re not an institutional fund yet. The construction of the committee depends on the ebbs and flows of fundraising. Some investors don’t want to be on an LPAC — conflicting interests, not wanting to be actively involved, or just don’t want the time commitment. This’ll admittedly look very different for an institutional LPAC down the road for someone who has several hundred million in AUM. Institutional LPs will ask to have a seat on the LPAC, especially if they’re writing a check that accounts for 20% or more of the fund.”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
Go to them if you plan to go off-thesis.
“You go to them for things you might think are a conflict. For example, if I say I write $1M checks and I am considering going off-thesis and writing a $250K check, I might want to gut check and get a thumbs up that I’m not being an idiot. It would be a super simple email saying: ‘Hey team, here’s the scoop – please share thoughts.’ It’s very loose.”
— Nichole Wischoff, Wischoff Ventures
Ask your LPAC what they’re seeing in other managers they’ve backed.
“I didn’t expect to negotiate my LPA with Cendana. I have Michael [Kim] and Yougrok [from GREE Capital] on my LPAC. Youngrok is someone I meet with very often. And since GREE backed us since Fund I, he’s seen my growth as a fund manager. Our LPAC offers a great and critical lens into the industry.
Individually, I chat with both quite often. Together, as an LPAC, we meet quarterly. We’re also going to have our first general annual meeting on April 21st.
What’s great about Michael and Youngrok is that I’m not afraid to ask questions I think are dumb. If you’re in your Fund I or II, like I am, you’re still figuring shit out. You’re still testing what works and resonates and what doesn’t. I ask them, ‘what have you seen other managers do in this situation?’ They’ve worked with so many other managers, and in learning from their deep knowledge, I’m better off as a manager. It’s about building BGV as a long-term institution.”
— Paige Finn Doherty, Behind Genius Ventures
Your LPAC is your LP base’s chief influencer.
“One useful note about having an LPAC is that sometimes you want to make a minor change to the LPA. Say you originally planned to only invest in North American companies, but now you want to invest 5% of the fund in African startups. If you don’t have an LPAC, you have to go back to all your LPs each time you change the parameters of the agreement. If you have an LPAC, they can approve those minor changes for you on behalf of the rest of the LPs.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“To be honest, I’m still confused about the purpose and concept of an LPAC. I like to think of the LPAC as the influencer of the LP base. They keep the investors’ interests in mind and help you communicate hard decisions to your investors.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
Consult your LPAC for tough decisions.
“It definitely matters more at the end of the fund life. For instance, if we want to wait an additional year for Stripe to IPO. Then we consult with our LPAC to figure out the best way to message that to our LPs. Additionally, we can ask them what they think about a deal we’re about to do. It can also be useful in corporal situations. Hypothetically, if Elizabeth was beating me up, I can ask our LPAC to help me remove her.”
— Eric Bahn, Hustle Fund
“Since we’ve got a very small group of LPs that make up 95%+ of our funds, there isn’t much difference between our relationship with our LPAC and the other LPs. That said, we do have an LPAC and it’s composed of the largest investors in our funds. We meet with them once a year – typically a lunch before our annual meeting. And share the materials/discussion with the rest of the institutional LPs as well, so it’s less about anything confidential and more about a group of stakeholders we can get feedback from. Of course there are sometimes administrative aspects (approve us raising our recycling limits for a fund) but more often than not Satya and I are seeking feedback on questions we’re facing about how we want to manage the firm, tradeoffs between short and long-term thinking, and such.”
— Hunter Walk, Homebrew
“For us, when we constructed our LPAC, the questions we asked ourselves were:
Who do we think would be valuable in helping us balance short term decisions with long term thinking?
Who do we think will give us honest feedback and engage in honest conversations?
And who do we know has complementary DNA?”
— Steven Rosenblatt, Oceans Ventures
Find LPAC members who come from diverse experiences.
“I use it as a mini-board. I won’t go to it for big decisions, but I like the idea of surrounding myself with people who have different experiences than me, who have dissent, and make me a better investor.”
— Vijen Patel, The 81 Collection
Build an LPAC of different LP personas.
“If you have a great LPAC, they’re almost like a board of directors. You have some kind of cadence to get advice. If I did have one, I would like to do it with a group that represents my LP base – a few family offices, individuals, and people who could give really good advice.
“For first-time funds, you don’t want it to be any more than three to four people. And four to six for more established funds.”
— Sarah Smith, Sarah Smith Fund
“My advice to other VCs in building their LPAC would be to remember it’s about institutions, not individuals – your LPs representative might change over the course of the years. And, if applicable, to make sure you have a mix of LP types – for example, if your fund LPs are a mix of evergreen investment offices (such as most endowments) and folks who think of returns on a different cycle (fund of funds), include both.”
— Hunter Walk, Homebrew
The tech stack of engaging LPs
While I didn’t ask everyone this question, thought I’d share what notes I did have on some firms’ tech stack for engaging their LPs and managing their investor relations.
Wischoff Ventures — Airtable, Figma
“A spreadsheet/Airtable — I have everyone’s emails and copy-paste when I’m ready to send a quarterly update. I only talk to most once per quarter and it’s for my update. I built that in Figma (wouldn’t recommend it).”
Oceans Ventures — Affinity
“We use Affinity to manage our LP CRM. Our existing LPs get quarterly reports. And we try to write an LP update at least two times a year but will also often put out memos especially during key market moments. Also, since day one, we have a newsletter that keeps people up to date. It goes out every two to three weeks. And we have a personality. We’ve had other VCs tell us how excited they are to read it and we have LPs tell us they love our newsletter. We try to over-communicate and keep them heavily engaged.”
The 81 Collection — Streak, Airtable, Hubspot, Excel/Google Sheets
“We use Airtable, Hubspot, Excel and Google spreadsheets, but Streak is our main thing.”
“We’re pretty software-heavy — something I picked up from my time at WorkOS. We use:
Cloze — as our CRM, where we track what cities folks are in in, who’s in the pipeline and more
Airtable — for portfolio management
Google Drive
Webflow — for our website
Zapier — but there’s only so much you can automate
1Password — we’re pretty big on security
Calendly — but we’ve gone back and forth on that. I’m trying to spend more time with people who’ve invested in our fund, as well as the founders we invested in.
Twitter
Descript — for podcast transcriptions
Riverside — to record podcast episodes”
1947 Rise — Email, AngelList
“Regular LP updates, as well as my newsletter, have been my biggest engagement tool with LPs. I send the former out once a quarter, and the latter every few weeks. Luckily, I can also see all my LPs on my AngelList dashboard.”
“We used Carta, Affinity, Mailchimp, Aumni for analytics, and Anduin to bring LPs in. Fundraising is a bunch of chasing people down. Anduin’s a workflow tool. You can send people stuff and have people sign them all in one tool. Actually, several LPs told us that Anduin was the smoothest onboarding experience they’d ever had.”
“Mr. Huxley’s” Firm — Airtable, Notion, Whatsapp, Quickbooks, Google Drive
In closing
As I was writing this blogpost, a big part of me wanted a nice, easy linear narrative around LP construction. But I knew there wasn’t. In the many conversations that led to the above writing, it became quite evident there was no undisputed best way — no cure-all — to build an LP base.
Some believed in aiming high and never becoming oversubscribed. Others generated demand for their subsequent fund or was able to be judicious with their LPs by being oversubscribed.
Some built momentum by securing an anchor LP. Others started from individuals they knew the best.
Some didn’t budge on minimum check size. Others were flexible.
The list goes on and on. While there is no right answer, in knowing all of the above possibilities and strategies, I, and everyone who helped me make this blogpost a reality, hope you are armed with the knowledge to make the most informed decision for your fund. And to that, cheers!
Stay up to date with the weekly cup of cognitive adventures inside venture capital and startups, as well as cataloging the history of tomorrow through the bookmarks of yesterday!
The views expressed on this blogpost are for informational purposes only. None of the views expressed herein constitute legal, investment, business, or tax advice. Any allusions or references to funds or companies are for illustrative purposes only, and should not be relied upon as investment recommendations. Consult a professional investment advisor prior to making any investment decisions.
