Last week I had the chance to sit with the one and only Steven Rosenblatt, former President at Foursquare and the one who got Apple into the advertising business, now Founding GP at Oceans. Of the many things I could have asked, I had one burning question. Something that I also knew Steven knew like the back of his hand. Hiring executives.
Particularly, I’ve always been curious, since I’ve never done so myself, but have watched many friends and founders do it — successfully and well… its polar opposite, best described with this meme.
And in fourteen words, I asked Steven: For a first-time founder, how does one go about hiring their first executive?
To which, Steven generously shared: “There are three questions that founding CEOs need to ask themselves.”
- “What’s the most critical gap in the company that you need incredible leverage?” What are the holes you’re really failing at? That if you can hire, will dramatically increase the success of the company. If you don’t solve, you won’t have the right to raise the next round of funding. You don’t need to build a $100M company today; you need to build a $10M company today.
- “What are the things you hate to do or suck at?” A lot of CEOs optimize for the question: What kind of CEO do I want to be? But what’s more powerful, as Steven shared, is: What kind of CEO do I NOT want to be? Are you sure your superpower as a founder is aligned with what you want to do?
- “Is this person going to help me build the culture that I want at my company?” Sometimes someone is going to look great on paper, but the rest of the company and culture will outright reject them.
Culture, talent, and everything in between
As the saying goes, you look for the shimmer, but mine for the gold. (Yes, I made that up. But trust me, if I say it enough times, it’ll stick.) So, I’d be remiss to leave the jewel unexcavated. As such, in the double take, I asked: Tactically, how do you know if someone is a good culture fit?
“Write down the things that are important to you,” Steven shared, “What kind of team are you looking to build?” A results-oriented one or a process-oriented one? A culture of one-on-ones or not? Distributed or not? A family or a world-class orchestra?
“There’s no script for this,” elaborates Steven, “But think deeply about how you want to treat your employees, how you think about growth, and how you talk to investors. When I transitioned from Apple to Foursquare, on day one, while I was still only an advisor, Dennis invited me to an Exec meeting. I knew this was a culture of transparency. Additionally, at our weekly All-Hands, while Dennis led some of them, I would lead them as well as other execs. Something I found that our employees really really appreciated it. I went from a culture of secrets to one of transparency.
“So, to understand if someone is a good fit for your culture, after you write down what’s important to you, ask them:
- What’s important to you? What haven’t you achieved that you want to achieve?
- How do you do your best work? When do you feel the most motivated?
- Why do you want to work here? Why are you excited to do so?
“These are multi-year relationships. And you need someone great to help you get to the next level. The truth is your first execs aren’t going to change; it’s who they are. And if they don’t live and breathe your values from the beginning, they won’t change their personality just for you.
“One thing I make sure to bring up is why they shouldn’t be here. ‘I’m not sure you really want to work here. Let me give you a bunch of examples of why you won’t want to be here. Let me tell why this is really, really hard.’ I then listen to how they react to it. In the early stages, you want someone who’s bought into the mission. After all, this is someone you’ll spend a lot of time with. Can you take this person out to brunch with your family?”
Whether it’s Steven’s brunch test or Stripe’s Sunday test or Netflix’s Keeper test, have a good heuristic for the type of person you want to hire.
The first 90 days
Now that you’ve hired a great candidate, I had to ask the man, “What does a great exec hire do in their first 90 days?”
There’s a saying that good things come in pairs. If I might add to that, it turns out great things come in triads. ‘Cause without skipping a beat, Steven said, “A great exec hire must do three things in their first 90 days: 1/ spend time with everyone; 2/ align with the founders, and 3/ build an action plan.”
1. Spend time with everyone
“Meet with everyone who’s at the company and really get to know them. Not just what they do at the company, but also why they choose to do what they do.”
Digging a level deeper, I asked: “So what questions do you ask your team members to really get to know them?” Steven, responded in kind, with his Rolodex of questions — a set I know I’m keeping in my 52-card deck:
- What’s on your mind?
- What does your day-to-day look like?
- What inspires you?
- And what’s holding you back? What’s stopping you from doing your best work?
- If budget wasn’t an issue, what would you do? And what would you need to be able to get it done?
Of course, goalpost of everyone changes as your company scales. If someone is the first exec hire, talking to literally everyone makes sense. On the flip side, as Steven shared, “if you’re at a point, when you’re on a 100+ team — like a Series B company — you may not be able to talk to all 100 employees. In that case, 50-70 employees should suffice.”
2. Align with the founders
As important as it is to talk with the team, the conversations before and after the exec is hired are different only in the context that the latter goes much deeper. The best way for an exec to hit the ground running is to really understand the company’s past, present and future.
The past. “A great exec needs to understand what’s been built to date and why. What were some of the hard decisions we had to make? Where did we pivot? What did we stop doing? And what have we learned to date?
The present. “Who is using the product and who are our target customers? How are they using it? Gather as much product-related data as possible.”
The future. “Where do we think we want to be in the next 90 days? Six months? A year? Are there things that the exec would like to change? Where are we not aligned and why aren’t we?”
Within that three-month period, a great exec should have already figured out where they are going to prioritize their time. When putting it all together, a world-class exec is able to answer the question: Is the plan we want to execute on the same as the one our team is doing day-to-day? Is there any cognitive dissonance?
3. Build an action plan.
After they’ve talked to everyone, “the exec then comes back to management and lays it out. ‘Here’s where we need to get to to be fundable. I’ve talked to the employees, and here are the gaps we need to solve in the next few months. To help us get there, here are some of the hires I’m going to recruit.’
“In the prior conversations, you, the founder, have laid out that plan to fundability in the next 12 to 18 months. Does the exec agree with it? After all, the company’s KPIs are the exec’s KPIs.
“If so, the question becomes: How will the exec spend their time? What part are they owning? You hired this person to either take something off your plate or do something you hate doing or are not good or mediocre at. The exec’s job is to free up the founders’ time to do what they’re great at. So, you can focus on things that are higher leverage.”
So it got me thinking about the validity of my own question, is 90 days really the right benchmark for an exec to go from 0 to 100. Turns out, it may not be. “Given that this is your first exec hire and you’re still early, 60 days is more than enough, ” said Steven, “As you go further down the road, it’ll take more time to ramp up.” When you have a real business going on — something that’s default alive, as opposed to default dead — that’s when 60 days of an onboarding period turns to 90.
Letting go
I was also curious of the counterfactual. What if your hire goes wrong? How do you let someone go?
“Unless they’re a new hire, the day you let them go should not be the first time they’re hearing about this. Ideally, there should be no surprises that things aren’t going right. As the CEO, you should be having several frequent and transparent conversations to help them course-correct. If it’s clear that this person is not working out, move swiftly to let the person go. The longer you wait, the more damage it will cause long-term.
“It should also not be a surprise to the team when you do let them go. People often play to the lowest common denominator. Never the highest. ‘I just need to be better than the worst.’ If someone is really weak in their role, people see that. And if you don’t do anything about that person, they will set the culture and the standard for everyone else. So if you let someone go, and everyone else breathes a sigh of relief, that sets the record straight and your team can move on.”
Paul Graham and Suhail Doshi have a similar approach. If you ask your co-founders to separately think of someone who should be fired, and if they all thought of the same person, it’s probably time to let them go.
To take this a level deeper, I love the words Matt Mochary uses and recently shared on an episode of Lenny Rachitsky’s podcast. “The best way to lay someone off is for them to hear it from their manager in a one-on-one.” And before you give them the lay of the land, preface these hard conversations with: “This is going to be a difficult conversation. Are you ready?”
After they say “Yes”, then you share: “I’m letting you go. And this is why.”
After you share the why, you follow up with: “My guess is that you’re feeling a lot of emotion, anger, and sadness. Am I right?” Then actively listen to their fear and pain.
After you’ve had the conversation, don’t ask the canonical “How can I help?” But actively step in and help them find a better home. At the same time, it’s worth giving some people the space and time to process the multitude of emotions and stimuli. So, this doesn’t have to the first conversation, but most likely the second or third post-announcement.
In closing
As we wrapped up our conversation, Steven left me with these closing words. “Don’t be scared to make that first executive hire. But also, don’t rush into it. Take the time to get it right.”
He’s right. As with all great things, take the time to get it right.
Cover photo by Tobias Mrzyk on Unsplash
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